I've been playing DB for about 2 1/2 weeks now and was a GD player way back when. And right now its hard for me to believe that a select few players arent cheating here at DB. Yesterday i seen icesabree at 154 and today he is at 324! Someone tell me if this is possible without help. The fact that there are 3 players at the top all with similar scores makes it more obvious.
This makes the game very pointless if there is no chance of u getting to the top without cheating. I mean the only reason I play is to get my name at the #1 spot but if I cant do that then there is no reason to play.
My theory is that they are using each other and logging in as guests to let the others win. If this is being done then there needs to be a way to stop it. And that starts with the guests. I think guests should ONLY be able to play non-rated games or else this stuff will continue. Also you should not be able to play someone you've beat 4 times in a rated game. That's how it worked in GD it the system was great.
I hope you will consider my ideas for the sake of DB! Thanks...
                                                                 ~picolo~
(jeez, how I wish I'd working on mmorpg game instead, I would not have to solve SUCH problems)
- unfortunately, there is no way to completely prevent cheating, I can only try to make it harder
- if ANYBODY gets high ranking through cheating - and it makes him happy; well it is regrettable person, I cannot sau anything else
- I don't think that guests have anything to do with it. It takes 15 seconds to make new account
- I'm not sure if it worked the way you described (to not be allowed to play somebody you've beaten 4 times in rated game), and I definitelly don't like it. It would not work, it's not a problem to make a new account. Net mentioning technical problems, do you want me to keep database of all games ever played??
- some time ago there was an idea which could solve the problem, but majority of people did not like it. (But it's questionable, if people really KNOW what is good for them?) The idea was: you get NO points, if you win over a person with rating lesser than (let's say) half of yours. For example if you win 3 player game, your original rating was 200, and rating of other people was 150 and 50, you get ONLY 2 points.
I like guests only being able to play non-rated games because they dont have anything to lose while if they win your points still go down.
Well picolo i have 300+ points and i promise you i did not cheat to get them. I have played 150 games lost 50 and won 100. Also i do not always play 1 on 1 games i wait for 4 players and i have played a lot of 6 players with friends and other people. I have played a lot of my games with mostly Real names players.
Some people do get that many points because (no offense intended here) they sit on this game the entire day.
hey picolo ice plays around 7 hours a day and in an hour i won 34 points so lets count shall we 34 x 7 = 238 which means he can get 238 points in an hour so SHUT IT
i earn my own points buddy and don't be mad if me kaoss and gut are all better then you just play and get better thats all i can say stop conplaining nobody likes a tattle tale
Quote from: icesabree on May 14, 2005, 11:29:56 PM
i earn my own points buddy and don't be mad if me kaoss and gut are all better then you just play and get better thats all i can say stop conplaining nobody likes a tattle tale
Ehhh a tattle tale is a person who tells on someone else, because that second party did something wrong. Is this a type of confession ;)?
no
Lol I was joking, I just don't like the fact he claims he is better.....points=skill x time ;)
i know but like i said i can ussually get around 34 points an hour if theres a steady flow of people to play and he plays around 7 hours a day ussually more he said so he can get up to 238 if he didnt lose a single game
Quote from: zzboots on May 15, 2005, 01:26:45 AM
I don't need points to tell me who is better than whom.
Yeah, I agree. maybe if the whole cheating thing gets out of hand, maybe it would be good to wipe (erase) all the registered accounts, and then make it so the person can only register 1 account per IP. I know it wouldnt do alot, but maybe it would make cheating just a little less known, (Even though i know not alot of people would want to waste another 15 seconds of their life to register again). I also like the fact that the people who always go on guests account can only play NON-RATED games. That should defiantely be implemented. I hate when people go on guest names and call the registered players "noobs, you suck, what a fag " and other unpleasant words, just so they can get the other persons score down...Gets kind of anoying.
Quote from: tiraspol on May 15, 2005, 01:40:57 AM
Yeah, I agree. maybe if the whole cheating thing gets out of hand, maybe it would be good to wipe (erase) all the registered accounts, and then make it so the person can only register 1 account per IP. I know it wouldnt do alot, but maybe it would make cheating just a little less known, (Even though i know not alot of people would want to waste another 15 seconds of their life to register again). I also like the fact that the people who always go on guests account can only play NON-RATED games. That should defiantely be implemented. I hate when people go on guest names and call the registered players "noobs, you suck, what a fag " and other unpleasant words, just so they can get the other persons score down...Gets kind of anoying.
I agree completely with these ideas. That way, it would be nearly impossible to cheat. Unless you want to go buy another computer to make a different account ;D
Who cares about points? Let's all play for fun. I play another game which has rating, and it is chaos over there because of rating. I used to care about points, but not any more, as I realised that the game should be played for fun. If people want to waste their time cheating instead of having fun, then let them. Or we can just abolish the points system?
Quote from: Bakster on May 15, 2005, 03:24:07 PM
Who cares about points? Let's all play for fun. I play another game which has rating, and it is chaos over there because of rating. I used to care about points, but not any more, as I realised that the game should be played for fun. If people want to waste their time cheating instead of having fun, then let them. Or we can just abolish the points system?
good point. Sadly, some people prefer "to win" before "to have fun". Anyway, the points system will not be abolished
Well... Guests should be limited to non-rated games. That is the best idea I've ever heard, for this game. Think about this one Matlu. ;) If someone plays as a guest they're either here to try out the game/have some quick fun, in which case points wouldn't matter... Or they are here to try and bring other people's points down/cheat/cuss at people, in which case having their games non-rated would solve those problems. Best idea ever.
when a guest beats you - do you feel "less beaten" than when a register player beats you? Isn't it same (or even bigger) shame?
That would be a valid question, except that you didn't address the point. There's an extremely large amount of random probability involved in this game, so guest or not you win some you lose some, even if you win more than you lose. Yet there's no risk of losing points as a guest, hence making it an avenue for stupid people who just want to try to be assholes. The proposed solution would curtail that problem, while preserving the function of the Guest option.
Edit: Also, using the same logic as the post I was responding to: Do you deserve points for beating guests? If they really are guests to the game that is. (If it's a bigger shame to lose to one then that implies they are less skilled/knowledgeable.)
I understand your point.
But I'm afraid, that if I just don't allow guests to enter rated game - it would confuse new people. Imagine that you want to try a new game, you login as guest, you see a game to join - but you cannot. It's not very likely to encounter non-rated game, I guess that people don't make them too often.
I don't think that I can expect somebody new, who just sees this game for first time, to write: "hey, I'm new here, please somebody create non-rated game so I can test it". I'm afraid that he would be just confused instead.
You wrote, that guest don't risk anything, but you risk you points. But on the other hand, guest cannot lose anything, but he also cannot win anything as well! You risk your points, but you risk always, regardless whether you play with guest or registered player. The guest is basically wasting his time, he cannot gain anything
Well your whole argument is based around guests using the guest feature as intended... trying out the game. This thread is about cheaters and abusers. People use guest accounts to trade points, double team people, act like asses, and to lower other players scores without risk to their playername. If guests could only play non-rated then they wouldn't be able to do three out of four of those things. Then they would have to waste their time making new accounts every so often, instead of just clicking the guest thing.
Well it's no big deal to me, just saying I think it's a good idea.
Quote from: Chase on May 15, 2005, 08:58:18 AM
I agree completely with these ideas. That way, it would be nearly impossible to cheat. Unless you want to go buy another computer to make a different account ;D
well they would also have to buy a a new internet connection:)
How long does it take to make an account? Not much longer than it takes to click a 'guest' button. Perhaps e-mail validation might be necessary.
When this game gets more popular, there is more likelihood of non-rated games being played. My verdict: WAIT. :-\
Quote from: matlu on May 16, 2005, 02:10:34 PM
But I'm afraid, that if I just don't allow guests to enter rated game - it would confuse new people. Imagine that you want to try a new game, you login as guest, you see a game to join - but you cannot. It's not very likely to encounter non-rated game, I guess that people don't make them too often.
I don't think that I can expect somebody new, who just sees this game for first time, to write: "hey, I'm new here, please somebody create non-rated game so I can test it". I'm afraid that he would be just confused instead.
Is it so hard to just waste 10 seconds of your life and make a Username? If someone wants to try out the game, they can register. Its not that hard. Most of these people that play right now, are eaither from the old CyberWars, or atleast been in the castle a couple times and know what the game is like. Most of the new people just log in as guest, play one game, then they lose and say that the game sucks. If they like it, they will make a Username. I still believe that the option of Guest shouldnt even be on there. If they want to try out the game, its not that hard to register. Then there wont be any sudden problems with Rated/NonRated games.
QuoteMost of the new people just log in as guest, play one game, then they lose and say that the game sucks
It's little bit off topic, but:
the game NEEDS new players. Currently there is probably something between 50 - 100 active players, almost all of them old players who played cyberwars. It makes NO SENSE to maintain such game for 50 - 100 people.
So I would ask you all to be helpful to newbies. If somebody new comes, and immediately meets Mr. See-How-Fast-I-Can-Kill-You, of course he gets pissed off and never comes again.
I mean, not kill newbies immediatelly and try to explain the game instead. It sure requires some level of "social feeling", but I hope that at least some of you are able of it.
Quote from: icesabree on May 14, 2005, 11:29:56 PM
i earn my own points buddy and don't be mad if me kaoss and gut are all better then you just play and get better thats all i can say stop conplaining nobody likes a tattle tale
kaoss cheats. there, i said it. he uses cheap manuvers to win, and is totally dishonorable.
QuoteYeah, I agree. maybe if the whole cheating thing gets out of hand, maybe it would be good to wipe (erase) all the registered accounts, and then make it so the person can only register 1 account per IP. I know it wouldnt do alot, but maybe it would make cheating just a little less known, (Even though i know not alot of people would want to waste another 15 seconds of their life to register again). I also like the fact that the people who always go on guests account can only play NON-RATED games. That should defiantely be implemented. I hate when people go on guest names and call the registered players "noobs, you suck, what a fag " and other unpleasant words, just so they can get the other persons score down...Gets kind of anoying.
those guests saying "you n00bs" is indeed very annoying. even though we have a special someone using guest accounts, this needs to be addressed with the guests. the non-rated idea i like. do it.
Quote from: dragon75 on May 17, 2005, 01:35:26 AM
kaoss cheats. there, i said it. he uses cheap manuvers to win, and is totally dishonorable.
those guests saying "you n00bs" is indeed very annoying. even though we have a special someone using guest accounts, this needs to be addressed with the guests. the non-rated idea i like. do it.
ROFL NOOB, who cares what manuvers i use, the aim of the game is too win, if you are stupid enough to fall for my tactics everytime, thats your problem NOOB. Next time you lose 30 points to me in 10 minutes, dont get so upset dude ,ITS ONLY A GAME, RELAX, or if ya cant handle it leave and dont play at all. ;D
true true all i can say is learn every1's tactics and technices (i learned kaoss's so he had to change his to beat me) and now im learning his new tactics so ill be beating him a good bit again 8)
Quote from: dragon75 on May 17, 2005, 01:35:26 AM
kaoss cheats. there, i said it. he uses cheap manuvers to win, and is totally dishonorable.
I believe it was "All is fair in love and war."
Quote from: kaoss on May 17, 2005, 03:53:59 PM
ROFL NOOB, who cares what manuvers i use, the aim of the game is too win, if you are stupid enough to fall for my tactics everytime, thats your problem NOOB. Next time you lose 30 points to me in 10 minutes, dont get so upset dude ,ITS ONLY A GAME, RELAX, or if ya cant handle it leave and dont play at all. ;D
Maybe its not only the guests whom are annoying and arrogant, running around calling people noobs?? Â :o
Quote from: matlu on May 16, 2005, 07:49:43 PM
So I would ask you all to be helpful to newbies. If somebody new comes, and immediately meets Mr. See-How-Fast-I-Can-Kill-You, of course he gets pissed off and never comes again.
Seems people don't only get pissed because of Mr. See-How-Fast-I-Can-Kill-You......I have also heard word from new players that others will gang up 2vs1 and follow them around from game to game, ridiculing them while they do that. And there is no real way to get rid of the intellectually-deprived people of society, like that. It's something that takes place everywhere, and is also something all must learn to deal with.
Quote from: BlitzJoker on May 17, 2005, 09:59:41 PM
Maybe its not only the guests whom are annoying and arrogant, running around calling people noobs?? Â :o
If this dragon75 guy is going to go around and complain about me winning games because of my manuvers i have every right to call the guy a NOOB. ;) I mean ffs get a life ;D
Quote from: matlu on May 16, 2005, 07:49:43 PM
So I would ask you all to be helpful to newbies. If somebody new comes, and immediately meets Mr. See-How-Fast-I-Can-Kill-You, of course he gets pissed off and never comes again.
ROFL!!!!!
:D :D :D :D ;D :D :D :D :D
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That made me laugh.
Quote from: Bakster on May 18, 2005, 06:36:13 PM
That made me laugh.
It's definitelly good that you are having fun.... but may I know WHY?
On the subject of cheaters, I just played Guest_492 who did everything in his power to target me and only me in a 3 way match. Action must be taken!
He obviously wasn't new to the game, and he repeatedly called me a noob. It hurts :'(
I'm hjaving fun because I found your post funny?
Wow, on the game afterwards, I get teamed by guess what? A guest. It doesn't bother him, he woin't lose anything.
And what do you got to lose? A little loss of 2 points? Im not trying to be a pain in the ass but... BOO HOO. People should stop crying about guests beating them. Cmon...Go play another game and get your points back. Dont go on the forums and cry about that you lost to a guest, instead use that time to play another couple games, and get some points. Its not that hard. Common Sense.
i agree with tira
QuoteHe obviously wasn't new to the game, and he repeatedly called me a noob. It hurts
If anybody insults you, use commad /report nick  It has to start with slash, and it also works on guests.
And btw - if you remembered the guest number correctly - it was Kaoss.  KAOSS, you see, I finally learnt to spell your name correctly, PLEASE you finally learn to be polite. To be honest, I personally do not mind at all if anybody is vulgar, insulting or whatever, but it may hurt this game and this site, and this MAKES me concerned, I hope you understand. Nothing personal.
QuoteWow, on the game afterwards, I get teamed by guess what? A guest. It doesn't bother him, he woin't lose anything
It was me. I was not teamed. I attacked you, because you were nearest, and also strongest. I HAD to attack somebody.
ROFL How pathetic is this forum getting and some of the people, ffs i call some guy a noob and he goes and crys over it? NOOBS isnt a vulgar word. Cant wait for jagex site to reappear if this is the way this site and game is heading ;) So what are you saying Matlu, maybe u should have a list of bad words as we enter site so we know what not too say. Lets make that a new topic. Everything else under the sun has been discussed :D
first of all, I really have no time to deal with SUCH things
QuoteNOOBS isnt a vulgar word
it's not vulgar, but it's insulting. It MAY be funny in certain situations, but sure it's NOT funny to use it on unknown person. And doing it while logged as anonymous guest - this is simply lame, and (pardon me this time) NOOBISH.
QuoteCant wait for jagex site to reappear
Good luck. You don't have to wait, try to go to runescape right now, start calling other people noobs, and let me know how long it took till you got banned.
btw I have nothing personal against you, I already wrote same thing to other people. I'm just trying to keep some... level. I see that I have to make chat filter and it will solve (to some extent) many things
Quote from: matlu on May 18, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
And doing it while logged as anonymous guest - this is simply lame, and (pardon me this time) NOOBISH.
Amen ;)
same
Quote from: tiraspol on May 18, 2005, 08:15:33 PM
And what do you got to lose? A little loss of 2 points? Im not trying to be a pain in the ass but... BOO HOO. People should stop crying about guests beating them. Cmon...Go play another game and get your points back. Dont go on the forums and cry about that you lost to a guest, instead use that time to play another couple games, and get some points. Its not that hard. Common Sense.
Then why do you team? oh wait its more than 2 points , its more like 20.
Well, I just want to say that I have just lost about 29 out of 32 games games in a row to guest, and other newer players and i dont complain about it. They also double team me in 3 on 3's and i still kill both sometimes. Also they call me a noob aswel.l I have been playing this game for 7 years and i shouldnt even be losing to guest. So please people just stop complaining if you lost fast to players and if guest go after you first. I mean if your good enough just go kill the guest back. Just ask the other guy to hold on for a sec in a 3 player.
i agree with sir_gut hes right just take the guest on and stop crying about loseing
perfectly said gut i couldnt say it better myself
Quote from: SiR gUt on May 19, 2005, 04:36:10 AM
Well, I just want to say that I have just lost about 29 out of 32 games games in a row to guest, and other newer players and i dont complain about it. They also double team me in 3 on 3's and i still kill both sometimes. Also they call me a noob aswel.l I have been playing this game for 7 years and i shouldnt even be losing to guest. So please people just stop complaining if you lost fast to players and if guest go after you first. I mean if your good enough just go kill the guest back. Just ask the other guy to hold on for a sec in a 3 player.
Well said Sir_Gut,
              NO1, noob isnt insulting, i get called a noob all the time i dont run and cry about it in the forum how childish. NO2, i get teamed on all the time, so what, its part of the game i dont go and complain in the forum. NO3, matlu for 6 years people where calling each other noobs, newbie etc no one was banned for saying such things. NO4 the incident with the guy whom i called a noob, well, all ill say is there are 2 sides to a story but iam not going to sit here and waste every1s time and tell u what he was saying to me ;) NO5 i cant wait for the forum to disappear, it was, i thought, only here to get peoples input about the game and bugs etc instead of stupid darn topics. example" TODAY I PLAYED AND WAS TEAMED BY 3 PEOPLE IT IS NOT FAIR PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MATLU AND YEA THIS GUEST CALLED ME A NOOB OMFG THIS CANT GO ON. "  Why would you post that?? Â
How F***ing Pathetic
That sure looks like complaining to me ;)
Quotei cant wait for the forum to disappear
I don't know who told you that this forum is going to disappear, I know nothing about it
Quoteit was, i thought, only here to get peoples input about the game and bugs etc instead of stupid darn topics
I'm afraid you are right at this point, the forum is meant to discuss the game and suggest improvements. There is
/report feature to complain about insults.
You see, but it's not clear to everybody, only few people know about this feature, so I don't blame him that he came to forum with it. I should display somewhere list of chatbox commands, and also lay down some rules explicitly. But I really have no time to bother with SUCH things, I hoped it can be covered with "common sense" (something like: don't do to other people things which you don't want them doing to you)
I'm locking this topic