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Everyone, Me, Tiras, and Guest would like to announce we might be adding dodger to the crew for the tournaments, if anyone has any objection to this, please post. We will fully decide by tonight :)

I Object!

He isn't cool enough  :P

Wow this is news to me! Thanks guys.  :)

That's basically it Anima. He got chosen over the rest because he is a very active member and also, I know him well enough to trust him.

It isn't just me, the whole tournament team saw his actions in the past tournament and all concluded that we favored him over the rest.

You favored him over bakster? I know when I'm not wanted :P

Thanks Guest  :)
Bakster - Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?

No bakster, we wanted you more. But then we remember spam-in-a-can.

did u think about me?

Im sorry ults aka killa sabre... but you have been acting really different lately, so im sorry. I didnt even have you in mind....

Guest is correct on why we chose dodger. He also is the only person who sent me a private message on how he would like to help out with tournaments....We are also looking for maybe 1 more person who would like to help out. We will choose within the next week, and we are going to keep a close eye out on who we pick.

:( (feels left out cuz no1 tlks to him in game or not much about him on forums) and reason ive been acting diffrent is cuz im getting frustrated with high school its my first year and im just ticked at it so sorry all  :-[

If you wanna be considered for becoming a tournament board member, drop Gut a PM on the forums.

And ults, no one is ignoring you, but you just dont seem to have the leadership skills or enough experience to be a board member. Im not trying to be offensive in any way, just letting you know why we didnt consider you.

Anima, as for you, maybe. Drop gut a PM.

Quote from: Dodger on September 16, 2005, 01:08:22 AM
Thanks Guest  :)
Bakster - Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?

Because Bakster wants to. :o

.....Yes

Anima, you just confused the hell out of me...Ults, I talked tou you very openly today, although something must be done about what you found out, but im going to leave that to your discretion, just remember that I know.

<edit> I have  no objection to Dodger joining the crew, he is a cool guy, and I think he is english...which means he has a funny and amusing accent, so I think he should be in.

...whaa?

Lol aws, the whole accent thing, I completely agree.

Nooo, what accent thing?
Oh, some americans told me the other week that having an english accent automatically makes you ten times cooler in america  :) I hope thats what you mean  ;D

That is what I am talking about

Good good, the same is true about having an american accent over here!  :D

Yeah, us Americans are so cool. Much better than you're English-ness.

nah I have the best accent.... GO COWBOYS!!!

is there more tournament admins than tournament players now?

Willie, ever since you came here you've been making stupid comments on how this game isn't good and how you want to go back to the real CW. Especially your last one, what makes you think 4 > 100?

Oh and by the way, I wish you luck on going back to the real CyberWars, you sell-out.

I agree with you guest....but were you actually talking about waylan? Because willie has never posted here   :)

Quote from: anima on September 18, 2005, 03:29:26 PM
Well, I PMed gUt, but he didn't reply, so im guessing im not fit for the job.

Anyways, proper english is better than american accent anyday!

Cockney rhyming slang:
                                       "You lot all have small niagras! 'Ark at gUt giving it all the lemon. Me governor, The Guest's 'oright though, he's me 'ol china."

niagras = niagra falls = balls
lemon = lemon peel = speel = talk
china = china plate = mate

Im a right 'ol cockney geezer ;)

Beg your Osama? Your bein' a bit Chicken Jalfrezi an your a bit too Christian Ziege. Talkin' like this hurts me Nanny, not to mention makin' you sound a little Fromage Frais.
Anyhu I'll see you ina Cock Linnet cuz i gotta go 'ave me Jim Skinner. Later...

anima were still talking about adding you, i'll let you know.

Pff...London/Cockney sucks :P

Yorkshire 4eva

Lol, I guess I was talking about waylan. And i apologize willie, I misread/assumed that was you.

Waylan, I expected better.

Website? What do you mean?
Osama = Osama Bin Laden = Pardon

lmao... stupid brits.

 >:(

 ::) Lol seriously though, listen to you guys...

Yeh, we are talking proper English!  :) Not that rubbish you guys speak.

Rubbish?... Don't forget who got owned in war

lol well we will save your ass in WWIII

LMFAO! I definitley KNOW it was the other way around... Your schools are stupid too...

If American didn't intervene, all of Europe would be owned by Germany.

Yeh you might want to read my post again....

Quote from: Dodger on September 18, 2005, 08:19:58 PM
lol well we will save your ass in WWIII

:)

And you never would have helped us anyway, if you hadn't been bombed by Japan!

Wtf... I misread that... retard, what kind of assumption is that?

A correct assumption. I have visions  ::)

We spawned from the GREEKS AND ROMANS! Just like you did, making us all equal, yet Americans are clearly superior.

And no Anima, you didnt stand strong for shit, towards the end you were pleading with America to help, just FYI.

PWNED! 1-0 Americans!

Actually, there are records showing that America would have intervened regardless of the Japenese bombing... but that bombing just rushed the process.

We spawned from greeks/romans then you spawned from us when our empire ruled the most part of the world  :)

Yeah, but we all came from the same source. And it is even more insulting to you guys that the people you made overcame you in war.

well no shit sherlock. Who doesnt use bombs in war?

Umm...how about down on the western front?

But anima, if I remember correctly, our whole fighting style was copied off the Americans.
We were still wearing red and marching boldly into battle, untill we watced the camoed Americans crawling through woods. Not to give you guys any praise unless it's deserved.

Down where? Western front would be "how bout west on the western front"  :P

3-0 Americans, now Im owning you at your own language.

Omfg snaps... just realized my forum position is now a commander. yesssss.

Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 18, 2005, 08:34:44 PM
Down where? Western front would be "how bout west on the western front"  :P

3-0 Americans, now Im owning you at your own language.

Technically 'The western Front' was south of Britain so I am correct.

Then it would be the southern front, you're not correct.

Anima, what you posted was all opinion. I know British troops are involved and they do get mentioned on channels like CNN and whatnot. As for the fact that an American starred in the Battle of Britain movie... just shows we are better actors too.

4-0 Americans.

lol  :)

It was called the Western Front as it was the main point at which we had to hold off the invasion. Basically because it was on the western side of Germany. (which was still south of England, hence down)

Just goes to show that if America was over there, they would have named it properly.

well im british anyway, about 20%. Also britain and france hid under ground when hitler whiped  them all out above ground. WHO CAME TO THE RESCUE??? HERE COMES AMERICA TO SAVE THE DAY!!!!! but england is our greatest allie :)

We had no reason to join earlier... they were not a threat to us until they took France and most of England. Why would we get involved in something not effecting us? Do you see China throwing around its 1billion+ population in Iraq? No...

By "took" I mean that they invaded.

Just FYI, America hasnt ever been invaded either  :P

I think Anima is saying that although Amerca joined the war late, they had more causulties, pointing to the fact that the English are more organised and have a better army  :P

And the populations of our two countries arn't that much different. We are just more crowded....way more crowded. And Bush is complaining about Immagrants! You have plenty of space, you could take all ours!

America has been invaded and claimed many times.

<edit> now i notice anima said 'in modern times' my mistake.

Not since modern times, as in since we colonized it.

And about the whole casualties thing, consider the facts. You guys only fought Germany on your soil for about 1-2 months before America came in. Also, don't forget that many of those deaths came straight from Pearl Harbor.

Anima, do you honestly think anybody ever WILL or CAN invade America? be honest...

Which war are we talking about here??
1-2 months??? Make that 4 YEARS!
Pearl Harbour was bombed on the 7th December 1941, four years after the start of the war.
How is france considered our soil??

America only joined because the germans sent a letter to mexico, saying that if mexico attacked us, then they would give mexico the land we took from them. The letter was intercepted by the brits, and given to us. Then we got involved. Also they sunk our lucitania ship, when we were sending supplies over to the brits to help them out. 

France fell so quickly that it was insulting...

And if Im wrong about the 1-2 months thing on your soil, go ahead and correct me with the actual amount of time.

british people doesnt have as big of an army as america does. The brits also hid under ground most of the time, as the americans faught on the land and kicked major ass.

Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 18, 2005, 08:56:25 PM
Also, don't forget that many of those deaths came straight from Pearl Harbor.

A whooping 2000 people. What about the other 290, 000....they were being pwned by a superior fighting force.

Nicely said Gut, I forgot to mention that America DID help from almost the very start of the war. Without our supplies, England would have fallen in a heartbeat.

yes well thats why we nuked japan :) dont think their gonna fuck with us anymore :D damn gooks

There really is no arguement here, the fact of the matter is that England didnt stand a fighting chance without America, and America has never been in the same position to where we've ever NEEDED the help of another country. help was accepted of course, but never NEEDED.

Do you guys know any history? Read my edited post from earlier.

Quote from: Dodger on September 18, 2005, 08:57:55 PM
Which war are we talking about here??
1-2 months??? Make that 4 YEARS!
Pearl Harbour was bombed on the 7th December 1941, 2 years after the start of the war.
How is france considered our soil??

Once again, no arguement here. Final Score-

100-0 Americans.

Bullshit, Hitler didnt even consider "giving up" until we intervened.

anima they hid under ground, because they didnt stand a chance fighting on the land. They had to blitzkreig or what ever the word is. They hid under ground to stay alive and they snuck around and killed the germans little by little, by getting behind them and popping up. If america didnt help the brits out, england would of never stood a chance fighting germany. As guest said america has never needed help, probabl yneevr will and nor asked for help from anyone.

I'm sorry gUt but you are wrong in every sense of the word. Please go and read a history book then me and Anima will accept your appology.

Hitler was lucky he committed suicide, before we got to him :)

haha I might be, but i know after they didnt stand a chance above ground they stayed under ground waiting for america

Dodger, Anima, get over it. Without us, you couldn't have won. There is no REAL history book that says otherwise.

OMG we never hid underground.

FREAKEN DROP IT ALREADY!!! Im not posting anymore on this, I'll be in-game if anyone wants to play.

There is no real way of knowing what would have happened if the americans hadn't stepped in. I am not saying we didn't need the help, but a lot of what you are saying, I know to be false.

Bull shit. You obviously know nothing. I dont wanna argue but germans invented blitzkrieg!!!

Blitzkrieg=german for lightning. Lighting warfare.

Americans truly know nothing and over estimate themselves. Remeber 9/11? Well that was sick but it was a reaction to americas idiotic actions.

A land obsessed with money, which was built on the backs of slaves.

Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?

YES YOU DID!!!!! I forgot the word for it, But england never stood a chance to fight on land, germany was just to big and powerful. England had to use sneak tactics to hold them off, while waiting for america to come. So england hid under ground silently, still attacking, while aswell still fighting above ground.

gUt, you are thinking of a different war. Not WWII

i maybe wrong but i am pretty sure some if it is not..

hmmm....... wait...... shit, damnit, nah im prety sure im talking about WWII

pretty sure WWII, the one where germany sunk the lucitania. When we sent supplies to england, becuase they begged us to give them stuff, because they had no money left. They promised to pay us back which they never did.

No offence but some of this is likely to be just an american interpretation of what happened. Not fact.

it is fact becuase thats what happend !! DODGER get on duelboard 6 ppl on

Sorry I have work to do  :(....Maybe one game  :P

Lol ok, ok. America pwn at many things, but we own at what counts ;)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1622297,00.html

america  >:( - britain  ;D

lol nice!  :D

IM BRITISH!!! NO WONDER WHY IM SO GOOD :D

20% British you said....20% good...the other 80% is just crap :D

italian and german

Quote from: anima on September 18, 2005, 09:30:48 PM
Lol ok, ok. America pwn at many things, but we own at what counts ;)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1622297,00.html

america  >:( - britain  ;D

You make me sick.

Ok, I know I haven't been in this little argument, but consider this.....

If all of the land that isn't owned by America or Britain(and all their inhabitants) did not exist......it was simply an ocean with America and Britain. Britain would not only have 0 supplies to fuel themselves, but would stand no chance against America.    America=more self sufficient, more powerful     Britain=weak.

It can't really be argued.....

To sum it up I will take a quote from a good British film, titled Snatch........."Bad food, Worse weather, Marry F***ing Popins--England"

To sum up what you said in two words blitz, Bull Shit.
I'm done arguing with you about this  ;)

Lol, how is that bullshit......does England even have any trees on it? How could you fuel your army??? America has its oil from Alaska.

ahem hes a example


"servant bring in my tea and crumpets"   (servant) "yes sir"
"good servant"

(points pinkey out while sipping tea)

Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 18, 2005, 07:39:29 PM
Lol, I guess I was talking about waylan. And i apologize willie, I misread/assumed that was you.

Waylan, I expected better.

lolol

and youre wrong anyway, nowhere have i said anything about the old CW i just occasionally point out this site's player base is a bit thin. although that shouldnt matter either - not when everyone who plays this game knows so much about military history, its really interesting to read   ::)

oh and i do appreciate the tournament work its a nice idea, i was a little late signing up for the last one but i wouldnt mind trying my luck in the next  ;D

Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 19, 2005, 01:08:04 AM
Lol, how is that bullshit......does England even have any trees on it? How could you fuel your army??? America has its oil from Alaska.

England has its oil from the North Sea dipshit. Trees? Trees? Whats a tree?

ok lets just end the subject on this. Brazillian girls are friggin hot as hell..

Okay.

England and America are closest allies, but if we fought, obviously America would kick their ass. As for Nuclear bomb, hopefully no-body uses them, or were all going down.

Quote from: anima on September 19, 2005, 02:12:17 PM
Terrible misquotation. The character AVI was saying that about LONDON not ENGLAND dipshit. :D

The rest of England is just as shitty........I mean comeon the island is as big as like Aruba. Am I going to hear that Jamaica can take over America next?

Quote from: anima on September 19, 2005, 02:12:17 PM
We're lovers, not fighters!

Exactly why you would lose a war. I'll even put a quote to seem cute like you "Only the strong survive."

Quote from: anima on September 19, 2005, 02:12:17 PM
America starts wars with innocent countries so they can steal oil.

Next time read what I stated the situation was, no other contries existed. This is completely irrelevant to the situation anyway. Seems you Brits can't keep your mind on one topic?

Quote from: anima on September 19, 2005, 02:12:17 PM
And ffs, stop polluting my f*cking ozone man. Im gunna open a can of whoopass!

Make sure you bring some tea with that whoopass, and set aside a tea time for you and your "loving" army.

Quote from: anima on September 19, 2005, 02:12:17 PM
Army! Lmao are you aware of what age we're in? Do you really think an army will be used in this kinda war. We both have nuclear weapons baby! If we go down, you're coming down with us.

I know, I am just crazy!!! I mean we didn't send any troops to Iraq. Hell that is barbaric!! There was no ground warefare at all, ever. Thank god you, a certified military advisor, were able to correct me on that.



Like I said, it's simple, America is superior to England, so stop being such a bitch towards us.



<edit>updated a few things.

Even though I am partially british, Blitz is right America is superior to England, England even knows that. Also America is the most dominant country there is.

Yay tea! Spiffing! Can one drink it with my crumpets? We can all sit down and watch jolly cricket. Top ho!

By the way, you do have to bear in mind the differences in population and size of our two countries.
To put things in perspective:

The Surface Area of North America alone is equal to more than  253 times the surface area of England.

The average population of North America is more than 320 million, compared to Englands 50 million.
Is it suprising that America is slightly more dominant? And these are just the figures for North America.

Haha that is what I am saying..............

So all you Brits can continue you bash America's "flaws"(as you claim).....just take into mind that a country so "flawed" can still beat the shit out of yours.  :D

I think that what I'm saying is that America wins out of the pure volume of people. Not because they are better.

Anyone think we should drop this argument and agree to disagree?

So...........we will still win?  ::)

And thats of course assuming I agree that America is less capable.....which I do not agree but I don't like arguing with feeble minded, stubborn Brits.

Anima, you can't just go around throwing numbers like that... show the place you got your info from.

Dodger, either way, we still win. And population doesnt have too much to do with it, we're better at fighting too  ;D

If China invaded us tomorrow, we'd win... still. Do that math of those populations, buddy.

Well...this went a little off topic.

lol why did you make "off" bold? shouldn't you have made "little" bold? or both "off topic"? That confuserized me  ???

Yep, fixed it. Confused myself too. ;)

Here are some quotes you might like, Anima:

There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies and statistics.  ~Benjamin Disraeli

Statistics can be made to prove anything - even the truth.  ~Author Unknown

Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 20, 2005, 05:37:08 AM
Here are some quotes you might like, Anima:

There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies and statistics.  ~Benjamin Disraeli

Statistics can be made to prove anything - even the truth.  ~Author Unknown

A quote for you:

Shut the Fuck Up.
~ Bakster

Sorry, but it makes myself laugh! :D I have a stoopid sense of humour.

Quote from: anima on September 20, 2005, 12:29:38 AM
Yes the Brits are definetly stubborn dumbass. How else would you survive the blitz?!
But, we arent feeble minded. Bold statement coming from a country where 1 in 10  don't know that the Sun is a star, 1 in 50 believe they have been abducted by aliens, 1 in 5 believe in alien abduction, 1 in 2 dont know that the Earth orbits the sun annually and only 25% of American adults got passing grades in a survey by the National Science Foundation of what people know about basic science and economics

Like i said before, you may own in war, but maybe you should learn to control premature ejaculation, facts state that americans havent mastered that yet ;)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1622297,00.html

Can you say OWNED?

Nobody cares about your stupid quotes, get some facts!!

Bakster, you moron.

Those quotes that Blitz gave were directly related to the post Anima made with all those "facts". All that is bullshit, and until we see a reliable source where he got those from, we won't believe it. Anyone can make up a bunch of crap and post it on the net, doesn't make it true.

Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 20, 2005, 05:14:55 PM
Bakster, you moron.

Those quotes that Blitz gave were directly related to the post Anima made with all those "facts". All that is bullshit, and until we see a reliable source where he got those from, we won't believe it. Anyone can make up a bunch of crap and post it on the net, doesn't make it true.

The_Gu3st is 72.4245% less intelligent than Bakster. If that is possible.

Quote from: Bakster on September 20, 2005, 08:35:14 PM
The_Gu3st is 72.4245% less intelligent than Bakster. If that is possible.

No, it's not possible since your intelligence is equal to 0.

And here is it drawn(in an indirect proof) out for you.

Suppose The_Guest's intelligence(g) is 72.4245% less than Bakster's actual intelligence(b). It is also given that Bakster's intelligence(b) is equal to zero.


(.724245)0=g ...thus... 0=g

and

b=0

...so

g=0 and b=0, by the transitive property of equality g=b

therefore...

g is not 72.4245% less than b, it is equal.



And no, I am not saying The_Guest's intelligence is equal to zero, g represents your proposed numerical value for The_Guest's intelligence.

Quote from: Bakster on September 20, 2005, 04:01:52 PM
Nobody cares about your stupid quotes, get some facts!!

Ok since facts are so easy to come by these days it seems.

1 in every 5 British people can't tell a square from a circle, and 50% of those spelt it "cercal".

5 in every 6 Brits can't convert AM/PM time to the standard(24 hour) clock time, and 1 out of those 5 failed because they couldn't read an analogue clock.

95% of Brits have bad teeth. 94.99% being from the drinking of tea.

Oh and heres an interesting one, 99.99% of Brits think their tiny island can conquer the world.

Hopefully you caught on that I made them up, but I am just supporting Guest's claim that his statistics need to have proven studies by reputable companies to be taken into consideration. Though they could still be horribly wrong.

here i'll simplify it for everyone. The guest and Bakster both iq is equal to 0. Therefore they both are stupid. :D

Quote from: anima on September 20, 2005, 09:48:33 PM
lol blitz there trying to sound intellectual.

Well we can see you weren't trying to sound intellectual when you typed that sentence?


Trying to sound intellectual? Show me where my reasoning was wrong dumbass.

Quote from: anima on September 20, 2005, 09:56:47 PM
lmao difference between me and you is, i dont need to prove im intelligent, Rebbecca ;)

I know, because my intelligence was in question before that post, and I felt the need to prove my intelligence. I guess I shouldn't do any intellectual reasoning or say anything I know because then I am proving my intelligence. I mean I should just say things without backing them up because "i dont need to".

Please just shut the hell up, I was using my knowledge. I wasn't proving anything.

Quote from: anima on September 20, 2005, 09:56:47 PM
I see you skipped the vietnam point. Dont worry, if i were American i would to.

Yea I did skip it, because I am not a dumbass. I wouldn't pull a common Brit move and be like "F*** You, you idiot!" to that point. You see the Vietnam War is nothing more than a name to me, I have no knowledge on it and won't try to disprove something I don't know anything about.

But of course 1 war determines our strength. So then Britain sucks because their "highly trained" army was beaten by a few American savages back when America gained it's independence.

Like I said please shut the hell up, your posts are pointless. I would appreciate it even more if you just closed your forum account and went back to redo your First Grade education.

You just contradicted yourself there......you say I am acting immature, then you say I am old(and not acting my age).........Since I haven't posted my age or anything that would give hint to my relevent age anywhere it must be my maturity that makes you think I am old?? But I am acting like a kid?


Age is such a feeble aspect anyways. As I have always thought, "Never judge a person by their age, but rather by their maturity." I couldn't give a shit if you were 39 years old and arguing with me, your maturity(and intelligence) is that of a first grader. So in my mind you are to be treated no different than a first grader.


Then you go on to act as if it's funny I'm arguing with you, that I should somehow feel like an ass? I, in fact, do not. Anyway......

Quote from: anima on September 20, 2005, 10:28:04 PM
Im sorry if i offended you darling.

Another Brit pwned.....maybe now you will stop posting shitty comments on America, if like 5 of you can't seem to prove me wrong? Ohh that makes another statistic, since they are so easy to make...... Brits are 1/5(or less) as smart as Americans.


Maybe I can see Bakster's response to my mathematical proof.

WOW  ;D, my respect for Blitz SKYROCKETED with his last few posts. Way to go!

Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 20, 2005, 10:09:37 PM
I know, because my intelligence was in question before that post, and I felt the need to prove my intelligence. I guess I shouldn't do any intellectual reasoning or say anything I know because then I am proving my intelligence. I mean I should just say things without backing them up because "i dont need to".

Please just shut the hell up, I was using my knowledge. I wasn't proving anything.

Yea I did skip it, because I am not a dumbass. I wouldn't pull a common Brit move and be like "F*** You, you idiot!" to that point. You see the Vietnam War is nothing more than a name to me, I have no knowledge on it and won't try to disprove something I don't know anything about.

But of course 1 war determines our strength. So then Britain sucks because their "highly trained" army was beaten by a few American savages back when America gained it's independence.

Like I said please shut the hell up, your posts are pointless. I would appreciate it even more if you just closed your forum account and went back to redo your First Grade education.

I am speechless, except for one word: PWNED

Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 20, 2005, 11:14:27 PM
WOW ;D, my respect for Blitz SKYROCKETED with his last few posts.

Mine didnt.

Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 20, 2005, 10:54:39 PM
Age is such a feeble aspect anyways. As I have always thought, "Never judge a person by their age, but rather by their maturity." I couldn't give a shit if you were 39 years old and arguing with me, your maturity(and intelligence) is that of a first grader. So in my mind you are to be treated no different than a first grader.

You may not be judging him by his age. But this is now just pointless flaming. No useful points in your last post, no real way of proving anima wrong...or proving anything at all...
Im not gonna get involved anymore and I think we should drop this topic...

Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 20, 2005, 11:14:27 PM
WOW ;D, my respect for Blitz SKYROCKETED with his last few posts. Way to go!
I am speechless, except for one word: PWNED

I just can't stand people saying that America sucks and their country is god's gift. America is no different then any other modern country out there, with their share of wrong doings. Notice how I never said America is perfect and all? So I felt the need to pwn the haters and set an example.

It's not even like I'm some kind of radical American-Loving citizen. People should just learn to keep their mouths shut about us, because, chances are, we can pwn you....like I just did.




You know that makes me think. I hear that North Korea wants to be allowed to have a nuclear program(for energy). And I am guessing that it will have to go through the UN to be approved. If the UN approves it and Korea lied(and doesn't use it for energy) I suppose it will be America's fault. Or more secifically America's presidents fault cause no matter who he is, he is an "idiot". This is what it seems that people like to do.

Rofl. Felt like unlocking/bumping this.

<3 this topic.

Topic Locked.  :)

Topic unlocked  >:(

Yay Gut! He rules.

K thx bai.

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stop being a douchebag

Lock it now, muahahaha!!!!

I win.

K thx bai.

Forgot that. lol.

matlu will you please be able to move this threa dbac kto tourny section and change my password and dodgers plz

Rofl...ahahaha

Moron.

i love you

I'd call you a homo, but matlu won't allow it anymore. So instead I'll call you dumb.

*posts before topic gets locked again*

If you're gonna keep logging on as an Admin then I'm gonna change my password.

 :-*

 :P

yea guest seriously, I fired you. You have no right to use our admin powers ;) please stop.

Matlu change our passwords!

Quote from: SiR gUt on May 07, 2006, 05:11:46 AM
yea guest seriously, I fired you.

Rofl. Keep on dreaming.

Oh btw, when's the next tourny?  ;)

I've noticed there hasnt been one since someone got "fired".

And I won't stop abusing your admin powers, because frankly, no one gives a shit. There was really no reason for this thread to be locked so shhh.

And why don't you change your own password? I already guessed it the second time you changed it  :P

hahahahaha your just too good

Okay, I won't log on as you anymore, I promise  :-[ I was just being a loser, I deserve to be shot.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 07, 2006, 05:30:26 AM
And I won't stop abusing your admin powers, because frankly, no one gives a shit.

ooooo! some1s in troooouble!  :o

Haha, Funny stuff. It appears Blitz has nothing better to do then argue with himself.
Where are these quotes of mine? That sad, crazy mofo  ;D

Quote from: The_Guest on May 07, 2006, 10:43:22 AM
Okay, I won't log on as you anymore, I promise  :-[ I was just being a loser, I deserve to be shot.

Don't worry about it. I was just feeling really insecure because no one likes me and I needed someone to vent out on.

Infact, you can log on as me whenever you want.  :-*

Quote from: anima on May 07, 2006, 04:37:39 PM
Haha, Funny stuff. It appears Blitz has nothing better to do then argue with himself.
Where are these quotes of mine? That sad, crazy mofo  ;D

Rofl. That's after you deleted all your posts like some psycho.

Just re-read this topic...So much of what is said (by both sides) is stupid  :o
What really happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

Quote from: Dodger on May 08, 2006, 09:27:12 AM
Japan attacked the United States bringing it too into the war on the Allied side.

Quote from: Dodger on May 08, 2006, 09:27:12 AM
The Battle of Britain

    Main article: Battle of Britain

Following the defeat of France, Britain chose to fight on, so Germany began preparations in summer of 1940 to invade Britain (Operation Sea Lion). The first step necessary was for the Luftwaffe to secure control of the air over Britain by defeating the Royal Air Force. The war between the two air forces became known as the Battle of Britain. The Luftwaffe initially targeted RAF Fighter Command but thinking the results poor the Luftwaffe later turned to terror bombing London. The Germans failed to defeat the Royal Air Force, and Operation Sea Lion was postponed and eventually cancelled.

Like I and Dodger were trying to say over and over; US only came into the war because of the Japanese attack. As you can read Germany could not invade Britain, only attack it with it's airforce which succumbed to the greater and more disciplined Royal Airforce.

Britain owned? I think  not!

Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves

Oops the quotes are actually from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

Just thought it needed clearing up.

To Gut : Look no mention of 'hiding underground' anywhere. I think that annoyed me the most.

http://www.netcartoon.net/naaas/doquiz.php

lmao  ;D

Quote from: http://www.tommcmahon.net/2004/02/are_americans_s.htmlEuropeans consider Americans stupid because, when presented with a geographic map of the world, 11% of them can't point out their own country, many are convinced that Britain is on the West coast of Africa, Ireland is somewhere in Ohio and Iraq (with which their president is, of course, at war) is where North Korea should be. And they'll believe that a war on the other side of the world based on bullshit is making them safer. They can't spell the word "colour" either.

Just want to say, I don't consider the few Americans that I know (except perhaps one) to be in any way cognitively challenged, but I was bored so I dug up some more facts. Feel free to return the favour  :-*.

oh ya, 15/20!

20/20...

What a gay quiz, it clearly known that none of the allied forces stood a chance if it wasnt for America's intervention on the aliied side.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 08, 2006, 09:53:19 PM
20/20...

It clearly known that none of the allied forces stood a chance if it wasnt for America's intervention on the aliied side.

Clearly known by Americans obviously, unfortunately this is unprovable either way. And just because the other allied forces were beaten, (France etc) doesn't mean the England would have been.
If you read the information it clearly says that the Germans couldn't invade us.

The way I know it is that we were holding off the Germans (quite successfully), but unable to make any ground overall. We eventually got pushed back onto our home soil, which the enemy were unable to invade.
We launced a counter attack with the aid of the USA, most memorable one that springs to mind is D-Day, the Battle Of Normandy. At the same time (approx.) the Soviet Union were fighting Germany and Italy, and The Commonwealth, China  and the US were battling Japan.

Of course this was spread over a number of years.

I appologise if any of this is incorrect, I would love to read the whole article, as this topic interests me a great deal. But I do not have the time at the moment.

History sucks.

I gave up History a long time ago because the lesson is shit. Always learning about the boring stuff. But I'm interested by some history.

All history is boring. Who cares about the distant past? Why do the people who care care?

Quote from: Bakster on May 08, 2006, 10:39:37 PM
All history is boring. Who cares about the distant past? Why do the people who care care?

I used to have this opinion before I took AP World History this year. Actually, history does a lot of good for people. The most common answer is "we learn from out mistakes" or something of that sort and it's 100% true.

A great example would be China's Century of Humiliation (~1800 to ~1911 [or 1956]). I doubt many of you know about this, but it was when Europe was industrailizing along with many other nations. This is the time where Europe came to be a world power and many places ignored that, especially China. China didn't see Europe (Specifically Great Britian) as a threat and still regarded themselves as the center of the world. It was around the time that the opium wars took places and China's ecomomy began to dwindle and they lost many important trading ports, namely Hong Kong.

China however learned from it's mistakes, with some revolutions in 1911 and their main revolutions stemming from their "savior" Mao.

Yeah I know, boring to read, kind of boring to type too, but history really is worth it. I've begun to enjoy it a lot lately and I think I did quite decent on my AP World exam last wednesday.


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Anyways, regarding this topic, I told you guys there was really no reason to lock it. I loved this debate and I find it to be probably the best topic on DB.

And yeah dodger, you're right when you say there is no way to prove it, but it really just requires some logic. Prior to America's intervention in the war, America was still supplying England's ammuntion, tanks, guns, etc.

This of course brought up some anger by the Central Powers, hence their reason to plan an attack on Pearl Harbor. Its not like Japan just decided "Oh, we're gonna attack America cuz that sounds like fun and infact, we're not even gonna consult anyone else about it."

Nope, instead, it was carefully planned out by all the central powers and carried out by Japan. This is the reason why America intervened, but it could have been done for many other reasons. Germany was attacking American ships thats were tranporting goods to the Allied forces and that angered Americans but we kept our cool for sometime.

At this point, France had already fallen and Germany was making advances onto England. I don't understand how Wiki can say that England was unreachable. Did you guys forget about the battle of Britain? It wasn't exactly unreachable then, was it?

Quote from: http://www.world-war-2.info/battles/bt_9.phpThe Battle can be crudely divided into four sections:

    * July - August 11: Kanalkampf
    * August 12 - August 24: Adlerangriff
    * August 25 - September 6: German's attack RAF planes and airfields almost exclusively. The critical period of the battle
    * September 7 onwards: London and other major cities are bombed.

Ahem ahem. Unreachable, right. Fact is though, Germany lost that battle, only because of one stupid mistake: waiting (or playing the terror game). If Germany was to have not stopped that attack, Britain would not have had time to recooperate and that was where Germany went wrong.

Infact, Britianica Encyclopedia goes on as far as to say that that battle could have potentially ended the war in Germany's favor had they not waited.

I also understand that you say how Germany couldn't advance onto Britain soil, bare with me while I pretend this is true (As if airplanes didn't exist?). So, pretending this is true, Britain also had no power to set counter attacks, and all counter attacks actually failed, the main one was corrupted in the Battle of Britain.

So, we're at a stalemate now, unless you think that the Soviet Union was going to win this war.  FYI, the Soviets' were highly outnumber, out-powered and they were also in the midst of a revolution. Not exactly prime-time fighting a war conditions, now are they.

So, who will save the day?. . . . . . perhaps. . . . America? No, couldn't be. No one needs Americas help. Silly America, wars are for strong nations.  ::)

But whatever you and Wiki say, it must be true. Right? Right? Yeah.  ::)

Oppsies, I forgot to mention China since you said that America and China were both fighting against Japan. China was hardly a threat to Japan, especially after the Sino-Japanese was in which Japan put China to shame. It was really pathetic actually, and China was also in the midst of a revolution like Soviet Russia.

Fact of the matter is, America entered this war, kicked ass, and left.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 01:00:11 AM

So, we're at a stalemate now, unless you think that the Soviet Union was going to win this war. FYI, the Soviets' were highly outnumber, out-powered and they were also in the midst of a revolution. Not exactly prime-time fighting a war conditions, now are they.

Hmm. Ever heard of battle of Stalingrad? The german war machine advanced swiftly into the soviet union but Hitler decided winter would be the best time to do it. Unfortunately for the Germans, they were not use to the conditions and could not advance on Moscow due to Russia's more adapted guerrilla units. Also, when the Germans finally advanced on the city of Stalingrad they believed they were making progress but were embarrasingly defeated. Losing precious time, resources and man power, the german war machine wasn't at its fall strength as the soviets moved outwards while the germans fell on the western front.

Mmm and your point is? That really isn't to cognitive with this discussion since it was one battle that was won, and it hardly affected German morale. Soviet Russia was at no time a major threat, but a threat none-the-less. It was nothing that couldn't have been held off by Germany's vast Army.

Why do you think Russia entered the war on Germany's side? Duh.

I'd also like to point out the German U-boats had been attacking coastal shores of America for quite some time before America intervened with pearl harbor. The Submarines wern't much of a threat since they were easily detected and destroyed.

This believe it or not is a little known fact and I'm not just making up some bullshit. I live in mid-florida and there's a pretty famous restaurant by here that used to be a war station that was attacked by U-boats. Of course they were fended off, but it was none-the-less an attack on American soil that still didn't persuade the Americans to join the war.

Don't make it sound as if the only reason America entered this was was because of Japan. There were many things prior to Pearl Harbor that America could have entered for.

Your claims are not fact. You (we) can only interpret or guess the answers. The fact is it was allied forces that brought down the axis. It was a combined effect. So, stop making out America are invincible. If America were invincible they wouldnt have been pwned in 'Nam would they? Eh?

That's right, a freakin undernumbered, low tech, primitive fighting force fought off US interventions. They don't really focus on that in Us history do they? Therefore, let us put aside national pride and get drunk.

I never said I disagreed with that. However, you guys made it sound as if America's help was un-needed and that Britain could have handled everything itself. That's called bull****.

As for Vietnam, I don't really have too much knowledge about that battle, so there's not much I can say except that you're probably right. Regardless, I don't give a sh*t about that was because that is not the topic of discussion, now is it?

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 01:41:19 AM
I never said I disagreed with that. However, you guys made it sound as if America's help was un-needed and that Britain could have handled everything itself. That's called bull****.

I never said that. I said that we were able to hold ground without help. I personally do not think we would have been able to win without help. But we wouldn't have lost either.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 01:00:11 AM
And yeah dodger, you're right when you say there is no way to prove it, but it really just requires some logic. Prior to America's intervention in the war, America was still supplying England's ammuntion, tanks, guns, etc.

A fair point. A lot, but not all suppies came from America. But they were supplying stuff before they came into the war so why would them not joining have affected supplies? ???

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At this point, France had already fallen and Germany was making advances onto England. I don't understand how Wiki can say that England was unreachable. Did you guys forget about the battle of Britain? It wasn't exactly unreachable then, was it?

The whole point of the battle of britain was that it was done in the air, BECAUSE Germany couldn't launch a frontal land attack because of our Airforce.

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Ahem ahem. Unreachable, right. Fact is though, Germany lost that battle, only because of one stupid mistake: waiting (or playing the terror game). If Germany was to have not stopped that attack, Britain would not have had time to recooperate and that was where Germany went wrong.

Do you mean stopped the Air Battle? Germany stopped because we were far more advances flyers than them. They were losing.

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Infact, Britianica Encyclopedia goes on as far as to say that that battle could have potentially ended the war in Germany's favor had they not waited.

Again this we will never know.

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I also understand that you say how Germany couldn't advance onto Britain soil, bare with me while I pretend this is true (As if airplanes didn't exist?). So, pretending this is true, Britain also had no power to set counter attacks, and all counter attacks actually failed, the main one was corrupted in the Battle of Britain.

They didn't advance into Brittish soil. The Battle of Britain was in the air.
Germany were never (as far as I understand) able to attack England by land (with the exceptions of spies and rouge units and suchlike, which arn't exactly an attack force).

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So, we're at a stalemate now, unless you think that the Soviet Union was going to win this war.  FYI, the Soviets' were highly outnumber, out-powered and they were also in the midst of a revolution. Not exactly prime-time fighting a war conditions, now are they.

So, who will save the day?. . . . . . perhaps. . . . America? No, couldn't be. No one needs Americas help. Silly America, wars are for strong nations.  ::)

But whatever you and Wiki say, it must be true. Right? Right? Yeah.  ::)

If we are going to continue this debate may I suggest some rules?
Back up facts with sources, no flaming, and no unrelated...ness...Sounds adequate would you say?  :)
Also it would be nice if some people thought about what was being said, instead of dismissing it.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 01:41:19 AM

As for Vietnam, I don't really have too much knowledge about that battle, so there's not much I can say except that you're probably right. Regardless, I don't give a sh*t about that was because that is not the topic of discussion, now is it?

hahaha. I love how this was a major part of American history yet they kinda sweep it away. Blitz also didn't know his shit when it came to 'Nam. Let's pretend it didn't happen eh?

Educational System in America. That would be a topic of debate  ;)

Quote from: anima on May 09, 2006, 02:10:01 AM
hahaha. I love how this was a major part of American history yet they kinda sweep it away. Blitz also didn't know his shit when it came to 'Nam. Let's pretend it didn't happen eh?

Actually, I was interested in it. We were going to cover it this year in AP World, but we were cramming at the end and didn't get to anything Post-1937  :-\

Quote from: Dodger on May 09, 2006, 02:05:26 AM
If we are going to continue this debate may I suggest some rules?
Back up facts with sources, no flaming, and no unrelated...ness...Sounds adequate would you say?  :)
Also it would be nice if some people thought about what was being said, instead of dismissing it.

I like the rules, but I really don't want to take the time to back up my sources by finding valid internet sites. I know what I know and from what I've learned, and my source will be me.

This is just a little forum debate, or dicussion as anima likes to say, on what could have happened if it hadn't have been for America. I don't really feel like typing anymore history, I was kind of relieved that my exams were over but now I feel like I'm prepping for it again. I'll reply to your other points later besides for this one:

Quote from: Dodger on May 09, 2006, 02:05:26 AM
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A fair point. A lot, but not all suppies came from America. But they were supplying stuff before they came into the war so why would them not joining have affected supplies? ???

I don't really see what you're trying to say here. Suppose America didn't give you supplies, do you think you would have still stood a chance?

America's supplies were just one major aspect of how we helped you guys out. Technically, we didn't have to do anything to help you, we just had to drop a couple of atomic bombs on Japan and we would have had our revenge. Helping you was more of a favor than an obligation.

America took a lot of shit for helping you guys with supplies during that war, more shit than I believe was worth the money.

Not to mention, it was all paid for  ::)

American History (by Americans):

One day the world was like ahh dude we suckorz. We need a land of opportunity, so Zuess was like sweeet and pooped in the atlantic. Thus born USA, USA. The USA went to africa pwned n00bs yeeha and made them slaves like a cool dude. Got very rich quick made loadsa guns and killed eachother. Got bored so they killed other, less superior countries and never lost.

THE END  ;D

Quote from: Dodger on May 09, 2006, 02:13:33 AM
Educational System in America. That would be a topic of debate  ;)

Bleh, could be improved upon, but I can't really be bothered enough to care.

Either way, America seems to be doing fine Globally and economically, so where does that out you guys?  :P

Quote from: anima on May 09, 2006, 02:20:36 AM
American History (by Americans):

One day the world was like ahh dude we suckorz. We need a land of opportunity, so Zuess was like sweeet and pooped in the atlantic. Thus born USA, USA. The USA went to africa pwned n00bs yeeha and made them slaves like a cool dude. Got very rich quick made loadsa guns and killed eachother. Got bored so they killed other, less superior countries and never lost.

THE END  ;D

:D

I <3 anima

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 02:21:03 AM

Either way, America seems to be doing fine Globally and economically, so where does that out you guys?  :P

Yeah, and morally.

Land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean.

We have all had our fair share of wrong doings, it seems like America always takes the cake when people make fun of a country. Didn't Britain go to South Africa and beat the hell out of all the inhabitants there at one time, or is my memory not serving me correctly? I mean I don't want to get into this argument again, but as Guest said, we are doing fine economically.

I never thought AP world would pay off so much for me, so here goes the British Slave Trade:

When Britian began colonizing in America, they found abundant resources their that did not exist in large number in Europe. But, they didn't have the man power to work there. So, they took some things, mainly salt and potatoes and silver/gold from the Americas and imported it to Africa in return for slaves. Those slaves then went in turn to the Americas to increase production.

And I'm tired of history now so I'm just gonna stop. lol

But yeah, slaves originated because of the British.

Yup slaves are great. Whatever. That doesn't have anything to do wth WWII  ;)

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 02:19:22 AM
I like the rules, but I really don't want to take the time to back up my sources by finding valid internet sites. I know what I know and from what I've learned, and my source will be me.

Okay..But just because you learnt it doesn't make it true. I'm just saying that some facts need prooving, not pointing fingers.

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I don't really see what you're trying to say here. Suppose America didn't give you supplies, do you think you would have still stood a chance?

America's supplies were just one major aspect of how we helped you guys out. Technically, we didn't have to do anything to help you, we just had to drop a couple of atomic bombs on Japan and we would have had our revenge. Helping you was more of a favor than an obligation.

America took a lot of shit for helping you guys with supplies during that war, more shit than I believe was worth the money.

Not to mention, it was all paid for  ::)

Yes, but that wasn't the argument in question. You said that if America hadn't joined the war then we would have lost because we wouldn't have got any supplies. Which is untrue.
America were suppling us before they joined, so if they had not joined then why would they stop sending supplies?

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 02:21:03 AM
Bleh, could be improved upon, but I can't really be bothered enough to care.

Either way, America seems to be doing fine Globally and economically, so where does that out you guys?  :P

What I meant by that was that it seems to me that you only get taught the more finer points of history (eg not things that make your country look bad). Feel free to prove me wrong.

As for where does that put us, we are in a similar situation. You can even buy more Dollars for the Pound.
I do Economics for A-Level so feel free to steer the conversation in that direction.

Quote from: Blitz on May 09, 2006, 04:26:50 AM
We have all had our fair share of wrong doings, it seems like America always takes the cake when people make fun of a country. Didn't Britain go to South Africa and beat the hell out of all the inhabitants there at one time, or is my memory not serving me correctly? I mean I don't want to get into this argument again, but as Guest said, we are doing fine economically.

Didn't America do that too?
I hear 'doing well Economically' again...So lets take a look at American National Debt.
For the last 6 months the debt has been increasing by $1.95 Billion. Clocking at this point in time $8 362 548 343 577.08

For those of you who want that in perspective, if you were to spread out the debt to every person in the country, that is a total of $27 998.96 for every US inhabitant.
This puts the USA in a Balance of Payments defecit approx. $144.9 billion, and I can't find any recent statistics, that was from 2004.

I can give you the statistics for the UK later, but believe me, it's better than that. Got to go to school now.

Someone is going bring oil into this, go on, I dare you.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 09, 2006, 01:00:11 AM
I used to have this opinion before I took AP World History this year. Actually, history does a lot of good for people. The most common answer is "we learn from out mistakes" or something of that sort and it's 100% true.

A great example would be China's Century of Humiliation (~1800 to ~1911 [or 1956]). I doubt many of you know about this, but it was when Europe was industrailizing along with many other nations. This is the time where Europe came to be a world power and many places ignored that, especially China. China didn't see Europe (Specifically Great Britian) as a threat and still regarded themselves as the center of the world. It was around the time that the opium wars took places and China's ecomomy began to dwindle and they lost many important trading ports, namely Hong Kong.

China however learned from it's mistakes, with some revolutions in 1911 and their main revolutions stemming from their "savior" Mao.

Yeah I know, boring to read, kind of boring to type too, but history really is worth it. I've begun to enjoy it a lot lately and I think I did quite decent on my AP World exam last wednesday.

So China learnt from their mistakes, big whoop-de-doo. I didn't need to know that to realise that I can learn from my mistakes.

History is still pointless en mi opinion.

Then don't join the debate. Simple...

I want to input my opinions on history!

Looks like this topic died....again. No one replied to my comment.  :-\

could it possibly be a slight small chance that mAYBE noone responds to you because nobody likes you???

You never posted Britain's debt, as I'm sure it's right there with America. If you do decide to post it provide sources for both that and the American figures you posted earlier.

I don't really care to much about this argument....so not caring and the reason above has kept me from responding.

At the end of 2005 general government debt was £525.9 billion in the UK.

As opposed to America's 8 trillion 362 Billion 548 million 343 hundred and 577 dollars.

Quote from: Blitz on May 11, 2006, 04:27:11 AM
You never posted Britain's debt, as I'm sure it's right there with America.

Not quite  ;)

But I know why America's is so much. But that's your side of the argument.
I thought the Guest would be the one arguing actually. He loves an excuse to rant.  :P

Sorry, I got that written figure wrong.

Should be 8 trillion 362 Billion 548 million 343 thousand 577 hundered dollars.
Lets just call it 8 trillion.  :)

www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)

id love to join if i didnt despise history so much. ill get in on the next rant/dabate

This isn't even history anymore  :-\

Quote from: Dodger on May 09, 2006, 09:56:47 AM
You can even buy more Dollars for the Pound.

Pwned. Poor wittle Dollars  :-*

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that you get more Dollars for the Pound,so that makes your figure for the UK significantly higher in dollars.

Anyways...let's see. America is fighting a war. We contribute the most to the UN. We contribute the most to overseas rescue/emergency efforts. We are a bigger nation. We have more people. We are cooler.

HISTORY SUCKS

Quote from: The_Guest on May 11, 2006, 08:45:06 PM
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that you get more Dollars for the Pound,so that makes your figure for the UK significantly higher in dollars.

I noticed this in the morning, but didn't have time to post it.

£525.9 billion = 990,901,194,394 USD
or 1 trillion ;)


So we then consider UK's population size.....60,441,457....and divide...

thats 16,394.40 USD/citizen....even the infants.

So UK's debt/citizen = 16,394.40 USD
and
America's =  27,998.96 USD

So that means that the average American citizen owes about 10.5 thousand USD more than the average citizen in the UK.....I don't see this as being too drastic, as a new car costs 30,000+ and everyone seems to be able to buy them fine over here.

To be more correct we could break down the assumption of debt to the American people into America's tax brackets and receive an even lower ration of debt to income per family.

As Guest said

Quote from: The_Guest on May 11, 2006, 08:45:06 PM
Anyways...let's see. America is fighting a war. We contribute the most to the UN. We contribute the most to overseas rescue/emergency efforts. We are a bigger nation. We have more people. We are cooler.

We are in a war and we contribute between 25 - 22% of the Funding for the UN, while Britain only contributes 5.57%....as it says, "As part of that revision, the regular budget ceiling was reduced from 25% to 22%. The US is the only member that meets that ceiling..."

;D  :-*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_nations

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html

Oh and by the way, I have been looking at the factbook(which I cited in the post above). According to that, the external debt of the UK is $7.107 trillion (30 June 2005)  and the US $8.837 trillion (30 June 2005 est.) .....so unless you dropped 6 trillion dollars of debt in 1 year, your figure is wrong and thus your debt is

$117,584.86 per citizen....thats about $80,000 more per citizen...


:P

So unless you can come up with a reliable source to back your national debt then America, on top of all of its giving, still has much less debt than you.


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html
Go to that site, press ctrl+f and type external. That should bring you right to the debt....am I reading something wrong?

Quote from: Blitz on May 12, 2006, 12:18:20 AM
Oh and by the way, I have been looking at the factbook(which I cited in the post above). According to that, the external debt of the UK is $7.107 trillion (30 June 2005)  and the US $8.837 trillion (30 June 2005 est.) .....so unless you dropped 6 trillion dollars of debt in 1 year, your figure is wrong and thus your debt is

$117,584.86 per citizen....thats about $80,000 more per citizen...


:P

So unless you can come up with a reliable source to back your national debt then America, on top of all of its giving, still has much less debt than you.


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html
Go to that site, press ctrl+f and type external. That should bring you right to the debt....am I reading something wrong?

Hmmm strange. Not what I read. Nice comeback though.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html#

Found that. I apologise for my previous incorrect statistic.

 :D

Quote from: Dodger on May 09, 2006, 09:56:47 AM
Didn't America do that too?
I hear 'doing well Economically' again...So lets take a look at American National Debt.
For the last 6 months the debt has been increasing by $1.95 Billion. Clocking at this point in time $8 362 548 343 577.08

For those of you who want that in perspective, if you were to spread out the debt to every person in the country, that is a total of $27 998.96 for every US inhabitant.
This puts the USA in a Balance of Payments defecit approx. $144.9 billion, and I can't find any recent statistics, that was from 2004.

I can give you the statistics for the UK later, but believe me, it's better than that. Got to go to school now.

Someone is going bring oil into this, go on, I dare you.

To quote myself...
It wasn't about comparing statistics with the UK though...Just that the USA isn't doing as well economically as you try to make out.

If you judge it by that, then every country in the world is not doing well....as every country has a massive amount of national debt. America is doing fine, and everyone owes someone else a huge amount of money, which will probably never be paid...  ;)

American national debt is so high because they insist that all OIL is purchased in dollars. This means that if you want some oil, then you have to first buy some dollars.

Guess who opposed this idea of buying oil in dollars?

Yay, way to go blitzy.

I've come to the conclusion that British people are stupid after how confident Dodger felt, only to be crushed.  ;)

And I don't really care who opposed that, it doesn't really mean much. If you want your way, contribute more to the UN Mr. 5%.

And I'm confident enough to say America is doing better economically than any other countries right now.

And don't post some crap country like Timbucktoo (sp) and say that they have a higher gross income or whatever.

Quote from: The_Guest on May 12, 2006, 12:50:12 AM
Yay, way to go blitzy.

I've come to the conclusion that British people are stupid after how confident Dodger felt, only to be crushed.

I've come to the conclusion of how arrogant you are  ;)
At least I accept it when someone beats me.

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And I don't really care who opposed that, it doesn't really mean much. If you want your way, contribute more to the UN Mr. 5%.

It was Iraq. And the other comment is irrelevant.

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And don't post some crap country like Timbucktoo (sp) and say that they have a higher gross income or whatever.

Okay.

Quote from: Dodger on May 12, 2006, 01:14:04 AM
I've come to the conclusion of how arrogant you are ;)
At least I accept it when someone beats me.

I don't get beat, so what's there to accept?  :P

Lmao if i was American i'd get an ERECTION because we just pwned Brits on a game forum   ::)

Finale Note: Nationalities are irrelevant. All world governments are evil and they suck satanic cock. I refuse to sing national anthems, 'honour' my country, die for my country, vote, take stand in a political party and join any militant services. We are white collar slaves but noone seems to realise this, and media is a mask pulled over our ignorant eyes. We are not free, repeat we are not free. No matter how many times we are told this by our parents, authority, the media or ourselves, we are not.

Our purpose in society: To be 'educated' so we can go out and get jobs that support and fund a government that spreads war, famine and poverty. Money is all man seems to care about.

So yeah, argue about how great our nations are, because jeez what beautiful places they are.

God save our gracious Queen
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
For the German Fatherland
Russia, our holy country!
May the reign of the Emperor

Bullshit!  ::)

Well said :-*