I don't know the details but I do know you changed the kill formula awhile back maybe we should go back to the old one I'm constantly being killed by weak things in a continuous string of bad luck. one of many great examples i beamed a real spideriod in which of course should change things up a bit but it was killed not by the laser bot itself but by its bullet..... not an isolated incident, I feel like I'm playing Candyland the games so dependent on luck you could just go through the cards and determine the winner without actually playing the game what you do has no impact on the outcome.
And yes I know I will probably lock this next time I check because nothing to do with my topic but a long drawn out Candyland conversation will have taken 4 pages by next week each post containing one to two words each.
Wahey, you've realised the truth as well.
This game is 100% luck!
The battle formula has not been changed. For a VERY long time. Suffice to say, it has always been like this.
If there is a difference of 4 between attackers strength and defenders defence, then there is a very small chance it will succeed.
The formula itself is:
IF (str + 1d5) >= (def + 1d6) THEN kill
The proabilities are following:
Diff: -6 Prob: 0.0%
Diff: -5 Prob: 0.0%
Diff: -4 Prob: 3.3%
Diff: -3 Prob: 10.0%
Diff: -2 Prob: 19.9%
Diff: -1 Prob: 33.3%
Diff: 0 Prob: 50.0%
Diff: 1 Prob: 66.7%
Diff: 2 Prob: 80.0%
Diff: 3 Prob: 90.0%
Diff: 4 Prob: 96.6%
Diff: 5 Prob: 100.0%
Diff: 6 Prob: 100.0%
IMO it is fine, if not perfect, the way it is.
This game is 100% luck!
Shut Up. IP BAN.
This game is 100% luck!
crusades right and thats my problem : /, what was the old kill formula like?
I saw something about a change awhile back perhaps that is what i mean so let me rephrase this has there been any change in kill formula since it was first pulled off of caslte?
No one knows 100% what the castle formula was, so there is no way of telling.
I know 100% that this game is 100% luck.
Are u 100% sure of that statment?
yah crusade play me 20 games i bet i kill you 18+ times, see how much luck it really is
Cruade's a looserish name, just call him by his old one Bakster.
Here this should take any dispute out of the statement.
The game is 100% luck assuming all players have obtained a level of competence common to that of an elementary school student. Disagree look at the big picture its simply counting squares and percentages what idiot cannot do that? I'm sorry if i just hurt someones feelings because this was their big achievement but you would have found out later in life anyway :P
Not very many people have reached that elementary school level yet however, lol.
There are so many noobs on the game that do the stupidest crap.
......The only problem is they get lucky as hell and beat me with that stupid crap.
Quote from: SiR gUt on November 28, 2006, 11:34:14 PM
yah crusade play me 20 games i bet i kill you 18+ times, see how much luck it really is
Obviously, as I am extremely unlucky as evident by my last 934820598482058 games. I would be lucky to get one win.
Well how could this kill formula be accurate? I was killed twice in three games once by a tanks range while i had symbiont 6-2 3.3% chance and the other by a laser while i had force armor 8-4 again 3.3% chance. ????? the kill formula on paper looks perfectly fine but experimentally it just doesn't seem to be true. YOUR BAD JUJU PALES BEFORE MINE!
It's a game of luck. ::)
(And I put another pox upon ur house for saying that to me in the first place!)
Quote from: MetalGear822 on December 01, 2006, 05:38:43 AM
Well how could this kill formula be accurate? I was killed twice in three games once by a tanks range while i had symbiont 6-2 3.3% chance and the other by a laser while i had force armor 8-4 again 3.3% chance. ????? the kill formula on paper looks perfectly fine but experimentally it just doesn't seem to be true. YOUR BAD JUJU PALES BEFORE MINE!
honestly i agree with him on this... for some reason i think there is a flaw in the kill forumula that matlu could never find.... because the deaths from range attacks on armor and what not happens way to often, unluck Games Domain Cyber Wars
There is no flaw, he just got really unlucky, I have had my force-armoured commander killed by a turret, and have been killed by a probe twice.
haha poor probed dragon boy...all the probing over the years must be getting to him. ;)
anyway nice to hear from sir gut again and I think the kill forumal works but just not in the way it was intended. True that skill is thrown out the window when you battle in a game of CB but I find it hard to believe that luck is everything. Sometimes you have to weigh things in your favour so much that a beam down of a queen is actually possible within a % of error. I wonder about how the beam down method works let alone all this kill formula chatter.
The beam down method just plain works the % it says it will work.
And the kill formula has been said: IF (str + 1d5) >= (def + 1d6) THEN kill
And the game is not 100% luck, it is about 75% luck, I believe.
There is no 'flaw' with the formula. It works how it should work. You should all go and learn some basic probability.
As for the beam down percentages, they use a RNG (Random Number Generator) which generates a number from 0-9.
For example, a 20% beam down, if the number generated is 2 or more, then it will fail.
An 80% beam, if the number generated is 8 or 9, then it will fail.
I'm pretty sure that's right. Matlu explained it somewhere.
Seeing as that post would probably be flamed with you saying,
"YAH BUT OMG I GOT KILD BY PROBE LIK 3 TIMEZ IN A ROW!!111"
I thought I would provide this mathematical definition of probability:
QuoteTo give a mathematical meaning to probability, consider flipping a "fair" coin. Intuitively, the probability that heads will come up on any given coin toss is "obviously" 50%; but this statement alone lacks mathematical rigor. Certainly, while we might expect that flipping such a coin 10 times will yield 5 heads and 5 tails, there is no guarantee that this will occur; it is possible, for example, to flip 10 heads in a row.
So shut the hell up.
Sorry to keep multiposting, but.... One thing you could question is the validity of the RNG.
I've never thought about this before, as I consider the formula to be fine, but the way the RNG 'randomly' generates the numbers could be questioned.
As far as my knowledge (vast though it is ;)) reaches, an RNG can be of two types, one that measures a physical phenomenon that is expected to be random and somehow generates a random number from it. Or algorithms that produce long sequences of random numbers, which only appear to be random...
Uhhh...the second one I think has some kind of trigger or seed, from which it generates the algorithms, such as the computers clock.
Either way...I don't think you can really debate the difference of the method from CGD...That is about as random as we can get.
k thx bai xxxx
Conclusion:
THIS GAME IS 100% LUCK!
Ultimately there is no such thing as random. Even the most unpredictable forces have a predictable pattern, heck even the chaos theory has a structure.
The random number generator is close to random ;)
No Wai, he's back! :o
Quote from: SabreWulf on December 07, 2006, 10:48:13 PM
Ultimately there is no such thing as random. Even the most unpredictable forces have a predictable pattern, heck even the chaos theory has a structure.
The random number generator is close to random ;)
That's what I said :P
Well, ur post was very long and i'm probably the only one who read it. ;)
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