Sorry for posting here, but if I post in Tournament it will be deleted.
Quote from: Sir Gut
if you don tlike the way we run things
then dont complain
And then you delete the topic where the integrity of the tournament is put into question.
A system with no checks and balances makes ZZ sad. :'(
Quote from: zzboots on September 11, 2005, 09:34:39 PM
Sorry for posting here, but if I post in Tournament it will be deleted.
And then you delete the topic where the integrity of the tournament is put into question.
A system with no checks and balances makes ZZ sad. :'(
/comfort
Its a sad day in DB history...........
You two need to get a room..
You are both welcomed to join tourny. No need to spam.
OMG Leggo my egoists!
Lmfao Mc.
ZZ, Blitz- Please, like goku said, get a room.
Honestly, I dont care... get lost, both of you.
Thanks for being such an unbiased tourney runner as to respond to our concern of the tourneys with "get lost". ;)
Get a room? I did a /comfort (a commonly used, non-homo erotic, emote in MMORPGs), but maybe consoling someone is considered an act of sexuality?
There is no substance to what zzboots said.
Also, I would like everyone to know that ZZboots himself was delaying the tournaments by purposely joining the tournaments games and responding with "i want to play db"
ZZ, was it not you who wanted a tournament so badly? And then did not sign-up but rather flamed them?
ZZ, to me you're nothing but trash. Hypocritical Trash. I hope you add that one onto your sig too.
My heart is just broken.
Quote from: Goku on September 11, 2005, 11:48:29 PM
You two need to get a room..
You are both welcomed to join tourny. No need to spam.
A) I was not welcomed to join.
B) I am not spamming anything. I am voicing my concerns with a relevant topic.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 12:43:16 AM
Lmfao Mc.
ZZ, Blitz- Please, like goku said, get a room.
Honestly, I dont care... get lost, both of you.
Why so hostile towards me? I asked a simple question.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 12:58:10 AM
There is no substance to what zzboots said.
Also, I would like everyone to know that ZZboots himself was delaying the tournaments by purposely joining the tournaments games and responding with "i want to play db"
ZZ, was it not you who wanted a tournament so badly? And then did not sign-up but rather flamed them?
ZZ, to me you're nothing but trash. Hypocritical Trash. I hope you add that one onto your sig too.
I have a valid complaint. When groups of people run contests, notice how the first rule is always members of that group are ineligible to win.
I was not delaying the tournament. I just wanted to play one game. I saw a three person game and so I joined it. When I saw that it was for the tournament, I left and played a game with reg50 and someone else. I like how wtf purposely tried to interfer with the tournament, and you make no mention of him, but instead blame me for a single mistake that was quickly corrected.
I didn't sign up because I had to leave right away. I would have only had time for like one game.
Thanks for again resorting to flaming. Classy.
Dont act like you only tried to play once and left. You came into my game itself 4 times, and stayed even after i asked you to leave.
I made no mention of wtf because it has already been mentioned in tourney section. besides, I do not know who he was nor did he come here flaming the tournaments.
Your point is not substantial. Give me one single reason why we cannot play in the tournaments and I'll see if i can prove you wrong (by can i mean will).
Everybody was welcomed to join, we did not ask you not to. Just because we didnt specifically ask you to join, doesn't mean you were not welcomed to.
And as for your last sentence, in order to thank someone again, you need to do it one time before that. Perhaps you were not aware of that, but regardless, you're welcome.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 01:49:49 AM
And as for your last sentence, in order to thank someone again, you need to do it one time before that. Perhaps you were not aware of that, but regardless, you're welcome.
Yes, you have only flamed me once and i commend you for it. ::)
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 01:49:49 AM
Your point is not substantial. Give me one single reason why we cannot play in the tournaments and I'll see if i can prove you wrong (by can i mean will).
In determining brackets. Gut and you didn't meet until the finals. How convenient. And if a dispute arises that cannot be settled by looking at points, you cannot be fair. It's hard to monitor and play at the same time. When I was in the lobby today for example, I didn't even see "Scorekeeper" sitting in the lobby to monitor.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 01:49:49 AMDont act like you only tried to play once and left. You came into my game itself 4 times, and stayed even after i asked you to leave.
Nope. Again you must be confusing me with wtf.
Im not confusing you with anyone.
Scorekeeper was there, he occacionally logged out from being idle. Either way, there were no disputes.
Tournaments were paired up by order of signing up. It was not convenient in any way that me and gut met in the finals...
How can you consider it convenient when I had to go through KXB, Tiraspol, and Anima in order to even get there?
ZZ, let's settle this the old fashion way, a poll.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 02:13:25 AM
How can you consider it convenient when I had to go through KXB, Tiraspol, and Anima in order to even get there?
ZZ, let's settle this the old fashion way, a poll.
Gut and you are buddies. If Blitz and I were the finalists in our tournament, I'm sure people would be giving us crap for the "fairness".
Poll on...?
wow people like zz and blitz make things so unfun foR everyone. FIRST off i would like to say zz we ran things fine, we don't need to be on top of everyone every second. I think people can handle things on their own they aren't baby's. 2. Why do you complain about everything??? 3. IF YOU REALIZED YOU AND BLITZ ARE THE ONLY 2 PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN!!! YOU 2 ARE BEST FRIENDS ON THE COMPUTER SO YOU 2 STICK UP FOR EACHOTHER.
NOBODY ELSE HAS COMPLAINED ONCE ABOUT THESE TOURNEYS BUT YOU.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT JUST LEAVE, STOP RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 4. Me tiraspol and guest were on at all times, anybody could just pm us if they had problems.
5. I start my game last after everyone is playing and when I'm done I sit out for few Min's make sure everything is running fine. I'M on top of everything every second.
AND CAN I SAY JUST 1 MORE THING ZZ these aren't your tournaments where the hell do you get off to even question on how we do things, its fine to have little commentsbut you take it Way to damn far. As of right now we have no problems with the tourneys and no complaints except for you, and blitz, OOOOHH wait their the 2 people who hate me... and also want to run their own tourneys. STOP BEING JEALOUS AND GET OFF OUR BACKS!!! EITHER JOIN THEM, PLAY AND HAVE FUN, OR JUST STOP BEING SO DARN ANNOYING. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOU EVERY DAY WITH NEW Complaints ON HOW SIR GUT, GUEST, AND TIRASPOL DO THINGS. How about you give other people a chance to complain about something????
Everyone I am sorry if I was rude (don't really think I was) but if you take it the wrong way, you know where I'm coming from.
Everyone please post on what you think.
HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY THINGS WERE UN FAIR!!!!! GUEST GOT TO THE FINALS FAIR AND SQUARE AND SO DID I!!! WHY WOULD YOU EVEN ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING SO DUMB!!!!!!! ZZ GIVE IT A REST.. YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY THAT WAS THERE THAT WE BOTH GO TO THE FINALS FAIR.. WHY WOULD I CHEAT ANYBODY OUT ON THESE TOURNAMENTS....... ZZ LOOK AT THE FIRST TOURNY WHO WON??? KXB. WHEN DID I LOSE???? TO EVILBLOB... SO ZZ JUST SHUTUP MAN CHILL OUT AND STOP COMPLAINING.
WOOT WOOT WOOT IM 150% with u gut
ALSO I WANNA SAY WHY WOULD WE ALL WORK ARE ASSES OFF AND THEN CHEAT PEOPLE TO WIN?? WHAT THE HELL WOULD BE THE POINT!!! SO I CAN SAY I WON A TOURNY! I DONT CARE IF I WIN (I DO WANNA WIN, BUT NOT BAD ENOUGH TO CHEAT AND LIE AND RUIN MYSELF)!!! I JUST WANT TO SEE PEOPLE HAVE FUN AND TO ENTERTAIN MY SELF AND EVERYONE.
AND ALSO THIS IS EVEN HELPING MATLU GET MORE PLAYERS TO DUEL BOARD!! your gonna scare people away from these tournys! wITH ALL UR COMPLAINING!!! without the tournies people will quit becuz they might get bored!!! this helps matlu so much more...
exactly and gut plz take a chill pill no offense man
yea man im sorry my apologies truly i just getting really fed up with him.
Sorry
- gut
yes i know what u mean im not scared or anything but i dont want u being angry scare off any1 maybe a nice game will help u calm so cmon bring it
Lol ults, nice way of getting gut to play a game.
Gut, Im behind you 1000%, ZZ is just a baby*.
*I would like to say sometime much more offensive here, but I dont want to be sent to jail.
yes i have a feeling what ur gonan say
You are missing the point. Like I said, the current system has no system of checks and balances. I simply stated a fact, and the DB Fraternity goes on a long rant about how stupid zz is and how smart they are, apparently more than 100%. Note that I never said you cheated to win. I said that it is possible that the tournament was set up in a way most beneficial to you. Hence the need for an unbiased tournament director to make the brackets.
Can you please just answer my concern. It is impossible to be an unbiased active participant.
Ok, if you guys are having all this fun flaming ZZ, I think I shall too. I will put my 2 cents in here also. Maybe a little more if it gets to that point. Ok, I shall begin. Lets start out by talking about our good friend ZZboots. Well ZZ you have been talking shit ever since DuelBoard started out and frankly, everyone is tired of it. You try to make "intellegent" comments and shit like that around here, but all it does is make you sound like a dumbass. I dont know if you figured that out yet, but you really sound like a dumbass when you say things like that. Why the fuck do you have to say shit like "checks and balances". WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with "how tournaments are being run" . Cant you ever just be straight and to the point. WHY THE FUCK do you need to go out and making gay ass little fucking metaphores that people are sick of hearing. Why dont you ever just shut the fuck up, and just be straight to the point. NO GIVES A SHIT what you have to say and you "thoughts on things". This is really pissing me off and I'm sure its pissing other people off too. We are all sick and tired of your fucking little mind games and we want you to stop doing this shit. This is getting too fucking annoying. You did this threw the whole time the tournaments were out, and all you did was BITCH, BITCH, and BITCH. Can you ever stop fucking compalining for just a second. Holy shit man. When are you ever just going to fucking stop. You and your gay buddy BlitzJoker need to go find another game for yourselves and stop runining this one. I dont know if you realize this, because you are a complete DUMBASS, but these tournaments are what is going to help BRING PEOPLE TO THIS GAME. Why the hell do you have to ruin it for everyone else, I think they are all sick and tired of your dumbass comments. Yeah, you can express your "thoghts on things" Yeah. And that is what I am doing now too. I am expressing the way I feel about your fucking comments. This is getting ridiculous. I hope you use your gay little "logical thinking" and go stick it up your ass, becuase around here, nobody gives a SHIT about your kind of thinking. Can you just shut the hell up with your stupid ass methaphoric comments. I dont even know WHY I am wasting my time writing this shit, maybe its just because it came to a point where we cant take this kind of shit from you anymore. If i was matlu, I would BAN your ass in seconds, I dont even know why he keeps scum bags like you and BlitzJoker around here. Go and try to use your gay little fucking logical thinking and gay ass metaphores on this post right here. You cant get shit on this one. Your done. This is the way I think about you right now, and it will never change. Good job ZZ, way to go, you sure got a nice way with words. I'm sure your gonna go real far with that. You can go ahead and try to reply with some gay lil bullshit that you tried to think up of, but guess what zz, it wont work. You know why? Because no one cares what you have to say around here. You ZZ, are a NOBODY, and you always will be like that if you dont change your act around. Ok, I'm done here. This is the way I feel towards you, and that wont ever change. Good going ZZ, you just become a permanent dumbass in my book. Heres my way of thinking, my 2 cents, whatever the hell you want to call it.
-Tiraspol
Quote from: tiraspol on September 12, 2005, 04:58:30 AM
Ok, if you guys are having all this fun flaming ZZ, I think I shall too. I will put my 2 cents in here also. Maybe a little more if it gets to that point. Ok, I shall begin. Lets start out by talking about our good friend ZZboots. Well ZZ you have been talking shit ever since DuelBoard started out and frankly, everyone is tired of it. You try to make "intellegent" comments and shit like that around here, but all it does is make you sound like a dumbass. I dont know if you figured that out yet, but you really sound like a dumbass when you say things like that. Why the fuck do you have to say shit like "checks and balances". WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with "how tournaments are being run" . Cant you ever just be straight and to the point. WHY THE FUCK do you need to go out and making gay ass little fucking metaphores that people are sick of hearing. Why dont you ever just shut the fuck up, and just be straight to the point. NO GIVES A SHIT what you have to say and you "thoughts on things". This is really pissing me off and I'm sure its pissing other people off too. We are all sick and tired of your fucking little mind games and we want you to stop doing this shit. This is getting too fucking annoying. You did this threw the whole time the tournaments were out, and all you did was BITCH, BITCH, and BITCH. Can you ever stop fucking compalining for just a second. Holy shit man. When are you ever just going to fucking stop. You and your gay buddy BlitzJoker need to go find another game for yourselves and stop runining this one. I dont know if you realize this, because you are a complete DUMBASS, but these tournaments are what is going to help BRING PEOPLE TO THIS GAME. Why the hell do you have to ruin it for everyone else, I think they are all sick and tired of your dumbass comments. Yeah, you can express your "thoghts on things" Yeah. And that is what I am doing now too. I am expressing the way I feel about your fucking comments. This is getting ridiculous. I hope you use your gay little "logical thinking" and go stick it up your ass, becuase around here, nobody gives a SHIT about your kind of thinking. Can you just shut the hell up with your stupid ass methaphoric comments. I dont even know WHY I am wasting my time writing this shit, maybe its just because it came to a point where we cant take this kind of shit from you anymore. If i was matlu, I would BAN your ass in seconds, I dont even know why he keeps scum bags like you and BlitzJoker around here. Go and try to use your gay little fucking logical thinking and gay ass metaphores on this post right here. You cant get shit on this one. Your done. This is the way I think about you right now, and it will never change. Good job ZZ, way to go, you sure got a nice way with words. I'm sure your gonna go real far with that. You can go ahead and try to reply with some gay lil bullshit that you tried to think up of, but guess what zz, it wont work. You know why? Because no one cares what you have to say around here. You ZZ, are a NOBODY, and you always will be like that if you dont change your act around. Ok, I'm done here. This is the way I feel towards you, and that wont ever change. Good going ZZ, you just become a permanent dumbass in my book. Heres my way of thinking, my 2 cents, whatever the hell you want to call it.
-Tiraspol
Nice um detailed post. Very long, detailed post.
I'm sorry if i was being vague. I merely was trying to bring across the point that objectivity is impossible when you are an active participant in the event.
Ok tira you ask zz to "get to the point" and not use sayings like "checks and balances".....what kind of saying do you think "get to the point" is....haha.
Well after you told zz to "get to the point" you then repeated your self, using different vulgarities, to show that you don't particularly care for zz. Good job on "getting to the point" there.
QuoteWe are all sick and tired of your ****ing little mind games and we want you to stop doing this ****.
Speak for yourself.
QuoteYou and your gay buddy BlitzJoker need to go find another game for yourselves and stop runining this one.
Ok....I am in a relationship with a member from the opposite sex, and am not attracted to member of my sex. Me and zz are in no way homosexual. ;)
QuoteIf i was matlu, I would BAN your ass in seconds, I dont even know why he keeps scum bags like you and BlitzJoker around here.
Well I might have a reason as to why matlu keeps us around? You see way back when Cyber Wars was shut down there was chaos. A few months later I got an instant message from zz, whom I wasn't best friends with at the time. He asked me if I wanted to help him make a site for Cyber Wars, and then I did. We went on to make petitions, get signatures, find places where old players were asking about where it was. To sum it up we spent hours upon hours on that site and making it get the appeal it did.
Then after the traffic and appeal died down, we continued to update. (You make mention BBCW here, but they were basically a knock-off of our site and came months later, and would have never started if it wasn't for us) Then one day I got an e-mail from matlu saying how he was looking for a project to start, found our site, and would like a further explanation. I remade zz's old guide for matlu here: http://www.geocities.com/cyberwarsforever/information.html . We then put in a bunch more hours to do some testing(and inform old players it was up).
Now that the game is up I spent a bunch more hours writing a guide and making suggestions.
So what I am saying is that zz and myself have done more work than anyone here(save matlu of course, he deserves much, much more credit). We are directly responsible for bringing back Cyber Wars.......without us matlu would have probably never found out what Cyber Wars even was.
Now I am not saying we deserve to be treated like gods, but I am saying how quickly everyone forgets and takes all of our work(and i have seen some people even go as far as to disrespect matlu) for granted. I didn't even mind before but now that you don't see why we are kept around. There have been maybe 4 e-mails I received, and 1 post(by aws) thanking me........
Without us you would not be here right now, just take that into mind. And don't take this post as me demanding appreciation, or like I said, saying we should be reguarded like matlu should be. Or as me bragging about anything. Or as me being cocky All I am saying is maybe matlu remembers who the founding people were of the movement to get Cyber Wars back?
--Note: I am not trying to take any credit for making the game, that was all matlu and he deserves uber credit for that. Then uber credit for paying to keep it up. Then uber more credit for all the hours he has put in.
Oh and btw, Tira you basically caused matlu to delete your post, and probably lock the thread with your rant of vulgarities. Thank you.
Blitz,
Just because you and zz deserve some credit for making the game does not give you the right to go around dissing and insulting everything. Do not forget the first impression you gave me of you. When I first found this site and told Gut about it, I hadn't even bothered to look on the forums. Then Gut IMed me via AIM and told me that he wasn't going to play this. When I asked why he said because there are people like you going around still dissing him for things that are 3 years in the past. The first post I read from you blitz, without looking back, I can quote it. "the one person i hoped would never return to this game" which was directed towards Sir_Gut when he told everyone he was back.
The tournaments ran fine today...yet we were met with 30 posts of bullshit throughout the day.
ZZ,
The tournament brackets can not and were not in any way "fixed". They couldn't be infact, because they are done by the order of signups. If the brackets were to be "fixed", do you honestly think I would be VSing KXB in the first round? Think before you speak.
The both of you,
Enough. I know I do not just speak for myself, but rather for almost the entire duelboard community when I'm asking you to stop this bullshit. It is getting out of hand. Every post of mine towards one of you is filled with insults, backanswers, and extreme anger.
Almost 100% of the time, I do not direct something at either of you that questions your ability to do something. It is basically 100% of the time that either I or someone else receives this from you.
Just stop it.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 05:47:10 AM
Every post of mine towards one of you is filled with insults, backanswers, and extreme anger.
Just stop it.
And yet neither one of us has insulted you. So maybe you should be the one to stop the insults?
QuoteI can quote it. "the one person i hoped would never return to this game" which was directed towards Sir_Gut when he told everyone he was back.
Gut was a whole different story that we could start all over again. But I agreed with Gut to not talk about it any longer, about a day after it started, so I won't go there.
Gut and I have had huge differences, but I have made suggestions to him with the tourneys(1 being to request that matlu advertise the link on the game section, because only a small amount of the DB community visits the forums) and have been able to talk to him on AIM without any yelling or cussing. He even made a very agreeing point about zz and myself, having to deal with DB(less than a month ago), but I agreed I would not disclose that either.
You see Gut and I, despite our differences, have been able to converse in an effective and productive mannor without swearing or arguing. Something I have not been able to accomplish with you(on the forums) or tira(on aim). Tira even thought it was funny to solicate an overflow error on aim, and crash my computer a few times.
Neither you, nor tira will ever accept another persons opinion if it doesn't agree with yours, and you dislike that person. Even through his rants, gut manages to talk and listen to other people whom are different then him. He doesn't just say to zz and myself "**** you! you are ****ing gay!".
I never said f-you or you are being f-ing gay.
ZZ, that quote you made of me was meant to imply that the reason my posts towards the two of you are filled with insults and anger is because you bring it upon yourself, not because I like to.
Blitz, I resprect you in the sense that you and Gut have settled your differences.
But I do not yet respect either of you, zz or blitz, in the sense that I would want to be associated with you or be your friend.
Perhaps as time passes and the flames/insults/hate stops, then we may be able to not be so hostile towards each other.
From this moment on, I will not flame the either of you, unless I feel that you have insulted me, the tournaments, or anything related to one of my very close friends on here.
So please, let this be the last of it, just end it now.
ok this is my last post on the thread, blitz and I may not be friends but we still can have a mature conversation with eachother without vulgar language and stupidity. but zz when your gonna post about something, add all the detail in and explain your self in easier ways, because some people dont understand you.
lock the thread.......
- gut
Quote from: tiraspol on September 12, 2005, 04:58:30 AM
Ok, if you guys are having all this fun flaming ZZ, I think I shall too. I will put my 2 cents in here also. Maybe a little more if it gets to that point. Ok, I shall begin. Lets start out by talking about our good friend ZZboots. Well ZZ you have been talking shit ever since DuelBoard started out and frankly, everyone is tired of it. You try to make "intellegent" comments and shit like that around here, but all it does is make you sound like a dumbass. I dont know if you figured that out yet, but you really sound like a dumbass when you say things like that. Why the fuck do you have to say shit like "checks and balances". WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with "how tournaments are being run" . Cant you ever just be straight and to the point. WHY THE FUCK do you need to go out and making gay ass little fucking metaphores that people are sick of hearing. Why dont you ever just shut the fuck up, and just be straight to the point. NO GIVES A SHIT what you have to say and you "thoughts on things". This is really pissing me off and I'm sure its pissing other people off too. We are all sick and tired of your fucking little mind games and we want you to stop doing this shit. This is getting too fucking annoying. You did this threw the whole time the tournaments were out, and all you did was BITCH, BITCH, and BITCH. Can you ever stop fucking compalining for just a second. Holy shit man. When are you ever just going to fucking stop. You and your gay buddy BlitzJoker need to go find another game for yourselves and stop runining this one. I dont know if you realize this, because you are a complete DUMBASS, but these tournaments are what is going to help BRING PEOPLE TO THIS GAME. Why the hell do you have to ruin it for everyone else, I think they are all sick and tired of your dumbass comments. Yeah, you can express your "thoghts on things" Yeah. And that is what I am doing now too. I am expressing the way I feel about your fucking comments. This is getting ridiculous. I hope you use your gay little "logical thinking" and go stick it up your ass, becuase around here, nobody gives a SHIT about your kind of thinking. Can you just shut the hell up with your stupid ass methaphoric comments. I dont even know WHY I am wasting my time writing this shit, maybe its just because it came to a point where we cant take this kind of shit from you anymore. If i was matlu, I would BAN your ass in seconds, I dont even know why he keeps scum bags like you and BlitzJoker around here. Go and try to use your gay little fucking logical thinking and gay ass metaphores on this post right here. You cant get shit on this one. Your done. This is the way I think about you right now, and it will never change. Good job ZZ, way to go, you sure got a nice way with words. I'm sure your gonna go real far with that. You can go ahead and try to reply with some gay lil bullshit that you tried to think up of, but guess what zz, it wont work. You know why? Because no one cares what you have to say around here. You ZZ, are a NOBODY, and you always will be like that if you dont change your act around. Ok, I'm done here. This is the way I feel towards you, and that wont ever change. Good going ZZ, you just become a permanent dumbass in my book. Heres my way of thinking, my 2 cents, whatever the hell you want to call it.
-Tiraspol
holy crap for sumone that doesnt care at all what zed zed thinks u sure typed out a long repetitive reply..i think u care a great deal about what he thinks.. if u didnt him disagreeing with u wouldnt have angered u so much. u know everyone has a right to their own opinion... its not like zed zed was flaming anyone like you...u didnt even have any good points, most of it was just swearing.. hell if u took the word fuck out it'd be half the size lol... how about next time u prove u dont care and just think to yourself fuck the fucking fucker and leave the topic.
i myself really dont care about the tournaments...but ya usually in contests or whatever the ppl running it dont participate....maybe you should have an unbiased referree type person or sumthing who doesnt want to play.
Yea sure I mean anyone who wants to volunteer to ref it go ahead dont really matter but I really dont think there is a need for it right now, when we get farther in tourneys I guess we can. If we have troubles I'll let everyone know
WTF...this post should never have happened. There was nothing wrong with the post that ZZ originally made. I was very upset that you all trashed Blitz, who made one post at the beggining, which was absolutely fine. I hope you will all just give this a rest.
Blitz, I did, and do thank you for what you have done.
Another point. Let's all quit with the Gay/Homosexual thing, I really doubt that ZZ and Blitz are gay.
Also, not wanting to cause anymore contraversy, I need to get this off my chest. I have to agree with Song...your post was very Childish Tira, which disappoints me, because I have always thought highly of you. I put you in the upper-class of players in this game. Im not sure if I can still consider you to be in that same class.
Thouroughly Displeased,
AWS2
Everyone should band together and help duelboard grow. Parsley should post more links to be listed on gaming sites. Thanks for the contributions thus far, bite my tounge on our differences.
Now I know just by posting in this thread I open myself to be flamed.. Parsley give these guys some productive gaming site links.
I don't know if the Europeans have heard. President Bush was on vacation until public outcry from the 1 million homeless hurricane victoms cut his vacation short.. Sure it took him a week to get there and thousand were dying but what the hell. He was probably thinking of the damaged oil wells.
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Everyone should get this.. http://earth.google.com/downloads.html
You can see your god damn house from satelite. Unless of course you're in a classified. I tried to see the military base in Cuba and those sons a bitches blurred it out, but I can see planes on the near by airport. I saw sharks in the pale waters of Miami.
I do thank blitz and zz for what they have done. I just want zz and blitz to stop complaing and flaming our tourneys. I do think tiras post was kind of childish but hey he was mad, ill give him 1 get outta jail free. =D I have also done everything I can to attract players AND I WILL KEEP TRYING.
wait zz if you and blitz made it to finals, I wouldnt say anything, I would say congrats to the winner... and if anyone said anything other wise I would have you and blitz back in a heartbeat...
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ok guest tiraspol and the_guest so zz doesnt think there more benefisial to u 3 in his words so maybe have som1 else do brackets by skill level and experiance i mean ur doing a good job but so we dont get this problem every tournament how about we just do that
Let me explain how the brackets are set up:
By order of sign-ups, you can paired with the corresponding opponents. For Example:
1. The_Guest
2. Sir_Gut
3. Tiraspol
4. cDigital
5. ABC
6. Anima
7. Ultswordsman
8. Dodger
9. KXB
10. ZZboots
Now, what we do is we take the first vs the last, the second vs the second to last, etc. So the brackets would look as follows
The_Guest vs ZZboots
Sir_Gut vs KXB
Tiraspol vs Dodger
Cdigital vs Ultswordsman
Abc vs Anima
This can in no way be "fixed" to better suit ourselves. I suppose after the first 8 people sign up you have the luxury to see who you will get matched up with by thetime you sign up, but there is NOTHING we can do about this.
If someone has a better idea as to how the tournament brackets should be made, feel free to suggest. I am not making any promises your ideas will be used.
Also, I am not saying this is any way meant to be offensive or cocky, but after reading Song_Flowers post I just can't help but to say I told you so. Friends always stick with friends, whether or not they are correct.
yep know what ya mean and iwas thinking maybe score plus a skill level between 1-5 and then i pair em up with the closest person to there score and level
well guest you are wrong in a way. The normal way we were going to do it was
ALL HYPOTHETICAL SCORES
this is the order of sign ups
sir gut - 1000
the guest - 900
cokecan - 2
parsley - 400
cdigital - 90
zzboots - 800
matlu - 200
anima - 550
This is how the matches are done
gut vs coke
guest vs cdigital
zzboots vs matlu
parsley vs anima
it goes by the points, highest point vs lowest, next higest vs next lowest, and so on.
Quote from: AWS2 on September 12, 2005, 08:44:25 AM
WTF...this post should never have happened. There was nothing wrong with the post that ZZ originally made. I was very upset that you all trashed Blitz, who made one post at the beggining, which was absolutely fine. I hope you will all just give this a rest.
Blitz, I did, and do thank you for what you have done.
Another point. Let's all quit with the Gay/Homosexual thing, I really doubt that ZZ and Blitz are gay.
Also, not wanting to cause anymore contraversy, I need to get this off my chest. I have to agree with Song...your post was very Childish Tira, which disappoints me, because I have always thought highly of you. I put you in the upper-class of players in this game. Im not sure if I can still consider you to be in that same class.
Thouroughly Displeased,
AWS2
People should take his points into consideration, what he is saying is very true. AWS is a good man.
Cdigital's post also kind of started out good.....but I got lost on how he went from that to his third and forth paragraph?!(this is not a flame  ;))
While
talking(notice this word) with gut today, I was able to formulate a very simple sentence in which should enlighten everyone's confusion in thinking zz was somehow flaming you or the tourneys. It is as follows
Gut and I were talking and he said something along the lines of:
"I don't understand why zz is worried, I won't let anything unfair happen."
(This is when I thought of it)
Sometimes people don't want there to be any room for something unfair to happen. They do not want fairness to depend on someones promises, statements, or judgements, they want the chance for something unfair to be completely eliminated. This is, from my interpretation, what zz is trying to communicate to everyone.
Now the only way to ensure nothing unfair was to happen would be to have the tournament calculations/outcome be completely automatic in the code. This is not going to happen, so the next best thing that could happen would be to have a neutral party doing those actions. The neutral party will not have any kind of favor towards either side if an argument was to happen. A quote from guest clearly supports this above statement:
QuoteFriends always stick with friends, whether or not they are correct.
Quote from: SiR gUt on September 12, 2005, 09:33:47 PM
well guest you are wrong in a way. The normal way we were going to do it was
ALL HYPOTHETICAL SCORES
this is the order of sign ups
sir gut - 1000
the guest - 900
cokecan - 2
parsley - 400
cdigital - 90
zzboots - 800
matlu - 200
anima - 550
This is how the matches are done
gut vs coke
guest vs cdigital
zzboots vs matlu
parsley vs anima
it goes by the points, highest point vs lowest, next higest vs next lowest, and so on.
Surely that isn't very fair?
Putting the best against the weakest...Practically guarantees the best to get into the second round, at least.
If you get me...
The only thing I am looking for is an impartial judge to watch over the tournaments. When gut said he wanted to run the tournaments, I asked him if he would be willing to sit out and moderate them. I was under the impression that this was going to happen. Again, an impartial judge is just a precaution for the million and one scenarios that may arise during a game, (game freezing, multiple names etc.)
The Monopoly game from McDonald's always comes to mind. Employee's and their families aren't allowed to play. But corruption still occurred, not with the employee's at the restaurants, but at the company that made the game pieces. Workers nicked the winning pieces and passed them off to family, and so no one had a fair chance of winning. McDonald's eventually found out and did it's best to rectify the problem.
I'm not saying there is a problem now. I want to prevent any problems from occurring.
That is fair...It is how football, basketball, baseball, and hockey all do their playoffs. Â The better teams are rewarded by playing the worse teams...So it should go here. Â The only other fair way to do it would be randomization. Â Assign each player a number, put all those numbers in a hat, or on a computer, randomly select a number, which ever number comes up first, is the first in a bracket...example.
gUt: Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â cDig: 5
AWS: 2 Â Â Â Â Â parsley: 6
Blitz: 3 Â Â Â Â Â Â dodger: 7
matlu: 4 Â Â Â Â Â reg50: 8
I randomly draw out  of a hat and pick the numbers in this order.
3,7,4,1,8,6,5,2
so it would be like this:
Blitz vs. dodger
matlu vs. gUt
reg50 vs. parsley
cDig vs. AWS
That would also be a fair way. This would solve the possible problem ZZ? If someone not involved in the tournament did this?
Exactly so when we get farther into the tournaments, more things will be arranged. ZZ i also asked you few months ago, if you wanted to help with tourneys, you said no. I will sit out for the tournaments for now on and moderate them, I will not participate anymore if it will make everyone happy.
And Dodger when you watch basketball or any other sport how are the pairings set up? same as I put them. You want to see a good match-up in the finals, instead of it being very boring. Not saying it will be, but thats why we have underdogs. Id rather see 2 of the best players vs in the finals then 2 of the non better players vs. If you are good enough to be in the tourney you better be good enough to beat the better players. :) so in reality it is very fair. You just have to try a lot harder to win.
Thank you gut for agreeing to take the impressive authority role. If you really want to play, perhaps someone else would be most gracious enough to step in and take that responsibility. That way you can experience the joys of arraging and participating in them.
No problem ZZ, I'm just trying to do what seems right. Anyway, like I said before, if anyone else is willing to help out, send me a PM.
Gut and the rest of Duelboard,
My apologies for my misunderstanding of the tournament match-ups. I thought i had read that somewhere or heard it from someone, once again, sorry.
Quote from: SiR gUt on September 12, 2005, 10:56:57 PM
I will sit out for the tournaments for now on and moderate them, I will not participate anymore if it will make everyone happy.
By saying this I realize it will start a few contraversies, but I cannot keep my mouth shut on this. Gut, I strongly disagree to that statement and I suggest you rethink your comment.
Let me explain something about this past tournament-
Tournament day- I was uber-excited, we were finally having our first real tournament, and we got 17 people to sign up!
Tournament Time- 12 showed. 1 quit half way.
New case scenario- Me, Gut, Tiras do not participate. This means given the same circumstance, 14 people sign up, 10 show.
Also, I do not see how Gut moderating the tournaments would solve anything in the idea of being biased. If this was the case and Gut was biased, he would clearly rule in favor of me and tiras everytime a problem came up.
So what difference would it make whether or not he played? I am not understanding the logic behind what Gut has proposed.
Also ZZ,
You mentioned something about disconnecting and multiple names.
Disconnecting- If anyone took time to read the rules, if you disconnect, tough luck, you lost the game.
Multiple names- Not only do i believe DB isn't big enough to have this, but Matlu has made it so that people from the same IP cannot play one another. I know what you're thinking, people have friends to do it for them. Personally, I love the idea that AWS2 proposed, that would solve this problem for the most part... then again, it could cause more. Nobody would know if we were or were not telling the truth when we matched tournaments up. This brings me to my next point...
Matlu,
I would appreciate if you yourself used AWS2's idea to make the tournament match-ups. It would not be too time consuming, 5-10 minutes max.
Also, I believe Gut posted in the tournament section for something regarding you and future tournaments. Please take those into consideration too.
And now, I will end my long, long, long post with these final words-
Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 12, 2005, 09:58:25 PM
Now the only way to ensure nothing unfair was to happen would be to have the tournament calculations/outcome be completely automatic in the code. This is not going to happen, so the next best thing that could happen would be to have a neutral party doing those actions. The neutral party will not have any kind of favor towards either side if an argument was to happen. A quote from guest clearly supports this above statement:
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 05:22:58 PM
Friends always stick with friends, whether or not they are correct.
Please explain what you meant by this, I didn't understand.
Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 12, 2005, 06:00:40 AM
Tira even thought it was funny to solicate an overflow error on aim, and crash my computer a few times.
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me. That sure was hellla fun. Just be careful that I dont do it again. Too bad my great custom version CD of Knoppix is lost =( then you would of been really screwed.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 13, 2005, 12:25:19 AM
Disconnecting- If anyone took time to read the rules, if you disconnect, tough luck, you lost the game.
Multiple names- Not only do i believe DB isn't big enough to have this, but Matlu has made it so that people from the same IP cannot play one another. I know what you're thinking, people have friends to do it for them. Personally, I love the idea that AWS2 proposed, that would solve this problem for the most part... then again, it could cause more. Nobody would know if we were or were not telling the truth when we matched tournaments up. This brings me to my next point...
I didn't mean disconnecting, I was going to explain it but then gut agreed to be impartial judge. I meant server crashing. Say a person is about to kill another person. Before/After the person kills his opponent, the server crashes. One person says that he won the game, and the other says it wasn't over. This is just one possible question that may arise during the game.
Multiple names could mean a person playing two different opponents at the same time, not specifically him/herself. An impartial judge would be able to determine if this was occurring. But it wouldn't be that hard to use a proxy to play oneself if the person is so desperate to win.
Quote
Now the only way to ensure nothing unfair was to happen would be to have the tournament calculations/outcome be completely automatic in the code. This is not going to happen, so the next best thing that could happen would be to have a neutral party doing those actions. The neutral party will not have any kind of favor towards either side if an argument was to happen. A quote from guest clearly supports this above statement:
Quote
Friends always stick with friends, whether or not they are correct.
Blitz was saying that a person with a biased attitude will agree with his friends rather than making an objective decision.
Why are you so hesitant against an impartial judge Guest? You and tira can still participate in the tournaments. But someone has to take the responsibility of being MATURE enough to monitor the event. It was explicitly stated when you volunteered to run the tournaments. I have good faith that Gut will make a smashing good judge.
Server Crash is just something we will have to deal with in an unlikely event, it will probably cancel the tournament.
I said why I was opposed to it already... it does not make much of a difference if any. Of all people who should be the judge, it should not be gut. He won the last tourny for god's sake, he should be allowed to return.
I dont feel like reexplaining this, maybe some other time.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 13, 2005, 02:51:26 AM
I dont feel like reexplaining this, maybe some other time.
How about you explain for the first time, why you don't want an impartial judge? ???
let me say one thing. Guest you say that I would favor you and tiras if a problem came up. NO I would not, if you were right then of course i'd be on your side. If you were wrong sorry but I would have to go against you. Honestly I dont think we even need a judge to sit in the lobby, we have a whisper system that works, lets use it. I think I can monitor the tourneys fine, even with me playing aswell, I know I can and I have done it. It's not hard to do. If I can hold 2 jobs and go to school, it isnt very hard to play and keep track of whats going on. But if it will stop all this contraversy then so be it, I will sit out.
Quote from: SiR gUt on September 13, 2005, 04:49:25 AM
let me say one thing. Guest you say that I would favor you and tiras if a problem came up. NO I would not, if you were right then of course i'd be on your side. If you were wrong sorry but I would have to go against you.
I think this was misinterpreted. The point I was trying to make with that was what difference would it make if Gut was playing or if he was monitoring... he would still have the same mind and views... sooooooo if he felt in his mind that no matter what I say it will always be correct then he would always rule in favor of me whether or not he was playing.
I was NOT saying that Gut WOULD do this... just trying to make an example. Sorry for the confusion.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 12, 2005, 05:22:58 PM
Also, I am not saying this is any way meant to be offensive or cocky, but after reading Song_Flowers post I just can't help but to say I told you so. Friends always stick with friends, whether or not they are correct.
??? i didnt say anything that wasnt correct... i said that in contests theres an unbiased referee... and thats a fact in pretty much any competition there is...i dont know why your so sure your correct... u've barely even givin a reason as to why your right... just that u dont think its necessary u think u guys did a fine job the way it is... well um thats just your opinion and opinions dont beat facts. i dont see why your so set against it... if u guys are indeed doing an honest job of running the tournaments then it really wouldnt affect u at all if sumone else not participating moderates them. all that'd do is insure the fairness of the tournaments.. u know what they say better safe then sorry.. cmon guest all the cool competitions are doing it! 8)
Quote from: Fleur De Chanson on September 13, 2005, 07:53:57 AM
u've barely even givin a reason as to why your right... just that u dont think its necessary u think u guys did a fine job the way it is... well um thats just your opinion and opinions dont beat facts.
Let me state my reason once again-
If gut participated in the tournaments and he WAS biased, he would still favor his friends.
If gut moderated the tournaments and he WAS biased, he would still favor his friends.
I am NOT saying gut IS biased, only giving an example as to why it would NOT make a difference whether or not he played.
I do NOT understand why people do not understand this, it is quite simple logic.
And song, the fact of the matter is that we HAVE asked people if they are willing to moderate them, we are not opposed to it, but ZZ's main concept was not that we need and moderator, but rather that instead of the directors playing we should moderate.
Nothing that you said is fact by the way, everyone only has an opinion as to what is correct.
Also, to anybody who still disagrees, check out the poll. If you havn't voted yet, vote.
http://www.duelboard.com/forum/index.php/topic,544.0.html
Exactly, and I am not biased at all. I will never favor someone because they are my friend, only if they were right. Second I am fine with having someone sit out in the lobby and watch, may be boring but if everyone wants it like that, then no problem.
Gut, I can't stress to you enough that "everbody" doesn't want that. Infact, it seems like only once person wants that.
http://www.duelboard.com/forum/index.php/topic,544.0.html
Ok well maybe I will post my story. ZZ and Song do have valid points, but in reality.....I just don't care. If you look at my posts they never say that I think gut should sit out or something, they just say what zz is saying, is a true point.
The only reason I made long posts here was because when I comforted zz and said "it's a sad day in duelboard"(because of the censorship zz was talking about, I don't like censorship), and I got flamed for it? Everyone somehow tried to bring me into what zz is saying.
I could care less what happens in the tourneys because I will not participate in them. Some people might think it's because I dislike 2 out of 3 of the directors, but they couldn't be more wrong. I don't participate because I don't like making commitments to video games at set times, for hours at that time. Hence the "other" option I voted for in that poll, guest. In my case the other stands for "I don't care."
Now do I think gut should sit out? Well he should participate, it's quite obvious he is being understanding and not an arrogant ass like some other people, talking about the subject. This makes him even more deserving to participate.
Now that I said that, I must say this. Don't make posts being like "Oh look zz even Blitz is against you.", because I am not against him. I see his point, and it is true.......but I just could care less, and "punishing(in a way)" gut isn't exactly fair to him.
So please in further mentions of this topic, don't drag me into it. And for the Blitz & ZZ tourney...........I was just joking the whole time ;).
First off, I owe my apologies to you for assuming that you and ZZ shared the same ideas and were back to back with each other on it.
Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 14, 2005, 05:04:06 AM
I could care less what happens in the tourneys because I will not participate in them. Some people might think it's because I dislike 2 out of 3 of the directors, but they couldn't be more wrong.
I don't participate because I don't like making commitments to video games at set times, for hours at that time. Hence the "other" option I voted for in that poll, guest. In my case the other stands for "I don't care."
So please in further mentions of this topic, don't drag me into it. And for the Blitz & ZZ tourney...........I was just joking the whole time ;).
and in reponse to those three paragraphs:
I asked for an end to flames, I realize it may not have meant to come off as a flame, but it was still slightly offensive. Also, I can't help but to wonder, which two?
second paragraph:
When you first asked for an "other" option, i thought you were stupid, now I see the method to it, sorry again.
Third paragraph:
That's a damn shame. I think quite a few people were looking forward to them, just to see how things would work out.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on September 13, 2005, 01:42:20 PM
Nothing that you said is fact by the way, everyone only has an opinion as to what is correct.
thats a whole lotta bs... what i said was fact... facts which supported zz's opinion tho, hell i didnt really even give my opinion..in fact i said i didnt care about the tournaments. once again i said almost all competitions have an unbiased judge/referee who doesnt participate.. this is not my goddamn opinion thats a fact! most competitions work this way because it eliminates any chance for unfairness... maybe it doesnt make a diff if gut plays...all i was sayin is thats how most competitions work! maybe he can be unbiased even if he plays... but hey what if the game is between him and sum1 and the sum1 claims gut did sumthing wrong.. now obviously he cant be unbiased against himself.. not sayin that'd happen but that is a reason why the judge or whatever doesnt usually play.
Quote from: BlitzJoker on September 14, 2005, 05:04:06 AM
I don't participate because I don't like making commitments to video games at set times, for hours at that time.
i feel the same way... thats why i'll never play in any tournaments either... i dont care about cw enough to come on at a set time.. what if i gotta go out and get drunk or sumthing!?!?!?!
Fleur = Song_Flower right.
I think the real reason you don't enter tournaments is because you don't have a teammate. You cannot play CB without your stupid teammate, whatever his name is.
May I ask what the point of this topic is now?
I live by the moral, "There is no sense argueing with a person that is not willing to listen." In my opinion, this topic has accomplished nothing but more arguements between people who are not willing to listen. Will someone please do us all a favor and close it.
Indeed.
agreed with andre.
Im done with this too, just one last thing I should mention-
Nobody is forced to participate, if you feel it is unfair, make your suggestions, don't expect an answer.
I have to agree, gut is not going to favor anyone.
NOW, to my real point of this damned post. WTF...I was so pumped about this damned tournament and then the time gets changed from 5:00 p.m. to 2:45 p.m. I was so pissed. I had to suffer through the JETS getting crushed by the Cheifs, the Dolphins winning a game, and then I can't even play in the damned tournament. This is the only thing I am mad about in regards to the tourny. I think once a time is set, it should not change, and if it does, an email or something should be sent to all the people that are signed-up for the tourny. But hey, what do I care, i'm still a happy turtle! ;)
I didn't know that the time had got changed... ???
The time did change, like 2 days before the tournament. Most people were talking about how 9 oclock would be too late in england and they wouldnt be able to make it so we changed it to 7 for them
Heh imsorry aws, I really didnt meajn to make it for 5 kinda was a missprint. Next time.
lol...no problem gut...i was just venting. ;D
I repeat, what a gay thread :)