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Duel Board => General Discussion => Topic started by: zzboots on January 21, 2006, 07:15:34 AM

Title: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 21, 2006, 07:15:34 AM
Really now, I understand bad luck, but there is something wrong with the probability.

First my 6 def tank was killed by 3 range str acid spitter.
My 6 def mutant was killed by 5 str acid spitter.
My 3 def firefox was killed by 2 range str tank.
My 5 def commander was killed by 2 range str tank.
(and one more thing died with defense of a +1 advantage)

Add the percentage of these things occurring all in same game.
.1 * . 33 * .33 *  .033 * .33 = .000119

or  .0119%

Is it common for someone's luck to be that bad or for someone else's to be that good?

If you don't understand probability, don't post.

But come on, it seems things are way too lopsided.

Also in a semi-related note, I was playing Ultswordsman (on a guest name) and Silencer who seemed to have all the good luck.

And after they killed everyone, ult left the game.
(not like it matters or anything will happen.)


Point is, matlu, are you sure your math is correct?
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Fleur De Chanson on January 21, 2006, 07:34:46 AM
ya i was in that game too.. they did have extremely good luck! sumtimes its just like that.. nothing will go your way and other days u kill ppl with a probe... does seem a little lopsided sumtimes.

also i was last person to die in that game and when i died guest and silencer were still there. right after i died guest left. no he didnt lose connection cuz he was in the lobby right after...i think he even said gg b4 he left so was pretty obvious.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: SiR gUt on January 21, 2006, 07:46:58 AM
yes yes i feel the same and song you know that too, we been in many games with this situation, and how many times have i mentioned this. Prolly like 20
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zozefup on January 21, 2006, 08:31:17 AM
your probability isn't right.  That would be the chance that all that stuff happened in a row to you.  If you were attacked 15 times in the game by stuff with lower strength, then your chances for something to die is alot higher.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Fleur De Chanson on January 21, 2006, 08:53:27 AM
zoze what are u talking about.. it pretty much did all happen in a row.. it all happened in the same game! i dont think u read his post right....
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zozefup on January 21, 2006, 09:16:23 AM
I'm not good at explaining things.  I just mean you didn't say how many times you got hit with this stuff.  With enough shots,  a 3 range will eventually destroy a 6 defence tank.  If it shot it 3 times,  and killed it the 3rd time,  thats a 25ish% to kill it, not 10%.

There is way higher of a chance for this to happen than .001%   It would only 1 in 10000 if it happened in a row with no other attacks.

The formula he is using to calculate probablitys is only used when stuff happens consecutively.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Fleur De Chanson on January 21, 2006, 09:30:32 AM
well i dont remember how many times each of his things were hit b4 they died... i dont think it was many if any... but still tho that bad of luck all in one game is kinda dumb..
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Dodger on January 21, 2006, 10:10:24 AM
Don't Acid Spitters have a range of 4 str?
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Bakster on January 21, 2006, 03:26:25 PM
No.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: AWS2 on January 21, 2006, 10:44:47 PM
Well...It happens like that sometimes. 

OMG...AWS2 is back?

Im not sure if I am back or not, but I will make a point to play whenever I get the opprotunity.  Once you get into your major in college it gets more time consuming.

Oh well, it is good to be "back."  I am 2-0 so far, it is kind of exciting.

Peace peeps.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Fleur De Chanson on January 22, 2006, 12:10:23 AM
Quote from: ultswordsman on January 21, 2006, 04:20:57 PM
acctually i didnt leave silencer used a  electro pulse to kill my  real spider (lil fucker)   then i ran like a scaredy cat in my ressurected tank for rest of the game

and  i used 1 hit to kill all the monsters above

BS!!!!! you left immediatly after u 2 killed me! i was there till the very end, i didnt leave till u and silencer did so i know what happened...silencer did not kill u, u said gg and just left giving him the pts.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Bakster on January 22, 2006, 12:11:56 AM
Welcome Back AWS2  ;D
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Dodger on January 22, 2006, 12:30:43 AM
Quote from: Bakster on January 22, 2006, 12:11:56 AM
Welcome Back AWS2  ;D

!!!! ditto !!!!
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 12:45:12 AM
ditto my minnow on the tinnow
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 12:46:24 AM
dude i seriously dont recall this game. If we're talking about the 6-way last night...song i recall you beaming down a 10% queen so lets not whine about luck. At the end of that game i exposed his commander by killing his jeep with an alien hatchling and killed him with a cyborg. I dont know what game your referring to where ults threw the game. You guys must really love me to have a photographic memory of my games..lol.

Oh zz by the way, your showing shades of my cousin anti. He is havin about as much good luck as you. The other day i watched his mutant get killed by a hatchling then watched him get killed by a probe, it was fairly odd to say the least.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 12:48:37 AM
booya song  he just owned u and u just wanted to make me look bad for pwning u
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 12:56:38 AM
So much spam.  :-\

All of the events happened in succession so the probability is correct.  Every attack he made I had the defensive advantage, and after every attack, something else of mine died.

silencer-
.033 * .10 = .0033 = .33% but i dont know the other factors of the game.


Point is, math is odd or something is happening.

And ults you did leave, I saw you say I'll just leave and let silencer have the points. 
Nice to see you have 2 different stories. One says ep and the other hatchling.  Learn to lie, lol.  ;D
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 12:59:09 AM
WHOA WHOA WHOA

he did say that, and then i turned around and said no need to do that. If you had a screen shot like you usually do i gurantee that would verify what im saying. After i beat songs ass with my queen i brought down a hatchling, killed his jeep and then killed his commander with a cyborg.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:00:47 AM
lol u missed 1 detail


my  little tank beside me waiting to beat ur nigga's ass if i woulda lived
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:02:48 AM
I seriously don't recall a tank being there, and i hope your not referring to a jeep..lol
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:03:58 AM
no ressurect on a tank last turn
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:05:11 AM
Well i obviously wasn't paying attention when you did that
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 01:06:07 AM
Quote from: ultswordsman on January 21, 2006, 04:20:57 PM
acctually i didnt leave silencer used a  electro pulse to kill my  real spider (lil fucker)   then i ran like a scaredy cat in my ressurected tank for rest of the game

Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 12:59:09 AM
WHOA WHOA WHOA

he did say that, and then i turned around and said no need to do that. If you had a screen shot like you usually do i gurantee that would verify what im saying. After i beat songs ass with my queen i brought down a hatchling, killed his jeep and then killed his commander with a cyborg.

Quote from: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:00:47 AM
my little tank beside me waiting to beat ur nigga's ass if i woulda lived

So ults goes from a story about ep and running away in a tank.  Silencer makes up a story about a hatchling and cyborg.  Then ults throws the tank back in..

Again learn to lie. ::)

Song was in the game and SAW you leave but whatever lets you sleep at night..
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:09:20 AM
ur a dum ass his story his true but if i woulda lived  that tank woulda went bam bam
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 01:11:13 AM
Quote from: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:09:20 AM
ur a dum ass his story his true but if i woulda lived  that tank woulda went bam bam
I'm not the one making up stories..

Why did you ORIGINALLY lie about the ep then?
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:12:42 AM
wtf u talking about u made a fake quote bitch i can to watch....

Quote from: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 01:11:13 AM
I'm not the one making up stories..

even tho i lick my balls all day
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:13:41 AM
dude zz you seriously are a fucking retard. If song says she saw otherwise shes just pissed off because god hates her and made her an ugly cracked out lookin chick. I don't give a crap what ults is telling you, my story is legit. Song seems to stick around for the whole game when i play, ask her what happened last night after i virus'd off her entire army then killed her with my queen.

My cousin is right, you seriously do throw out a abundance of lines when you lose trying to make yourself look better, give it up.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:14:20 AM
yea and stop with the fake quotes bitch
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 01:17:38 AM
Hopefully Parsley comes along and cleans up some of the language.

Refer to my sig. 

Insulting me in an attempt to win proves nothing..
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:20:23 AM
Cussing is kind of second nature to me since im a foul-mouthed lil bastard and ill apologize for that.

But seriously ZZ if ults had let me win i would have confessed. Me and Reg have played one another on guest accounts and we never take the win when we're in the guest spot, ask him if you dont believe me. I've played other people too as a guest and whenever i come close to killin em ill just leave.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Fleur De Chanson on January 22, 2006, 07:10:57 AM
holy lots of posting while i was sleeping, working, and shopping :P whole lot more bs too...
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 12:46:24 AM
song i recall you beaming down a 10% queen so lets not whine about luck.
u need to pay more attention... i didnt beam that i mutated it.. yes it was still a lucky mutate but its more likely for me to have 1 nice mutate then u to get all those kills with lower str. also i wasnt really whining just saying its a little lopsided like zz said.
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 12:46:24 AM
The other day i watched his mutant get killed by a hatchling then watched him get killed by a probe, it was fairly odd to say the least.
that was me who killed him with a probe  ;D and see u agree its odd.. it shouldnt work that way and it really sux when it happens to u. sure is nice when your the lucky one tho  ;)

Quote from: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 12:56:38 AM
Nice to see you have 2 different stories. One says ep and the other hatchling. Learn to lie, lol. ;D
i agree with zz.. u both have 2 diff stories... learn how to lie...maybe discuss what story your going to go with b4 posting in the future... then again u'd probly just forget and mess up... "never tell any lies so u dont have to remember anything" i think thats how the quote goes.. anyways once again heres your 2 stories..
Quote from: ultswordsman on January 21, 2006, 04:20:57 PM
acctually i didnt leave silencer used a  electro pulse to kill my  real spider (lil fucker)   then i ran like a scaredy cat in my ressurected tank for rest of the game

and  i used 1 hit to kill all the monsters above
lol!! i see u deleted that post... realised it proved your both lying and decided to cover your tracks.. oh well too late.. anyways running in your tank for rest of the game sounds like it went on for sum time and i know u left immediately after i died cuz i was there and i saw...i guess this is why silencer came and posted a more believable lie. next time just leave the lying to silencer ults  ;)
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 12:59:09 AM
After i beat songs ass with my queen i brought down a hatchling, killed his jeep and then killed his commander with a cyborg.
that sounds like it all happened on the next turn which doesnt fit with ult's story AT ALL.. still not the truth tho
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:13:41 AM
dude zz you seriously are a fucking retard. If song says she saw otherwise shes just pissed off because god hates her and made her an ugly cracked out lookin chick.
wtf does that have to do with anything? just throwing pointless insults in there cuz u ran outta lies to prove your story?
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:13:41 AM
Song seems to stick around for the whole game when i play, ask her what happened last night after i virus'd off her entire army then killed her with my queen.
i already told him and i already posted in here what happened :S u killed me and then on the same turn guest(ults) said gg and then left.
Quote from: ultswordsman on January 22, 2006, 01:14:20 AM
yea and stop with the fake quotes bitch
ALL of his quotes were real.. ults just cuz u go delete all the posts u made which make u look like a liar doesnt mean they never happened and quotes from them are fake.

ok i think im done for now lol  :D
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:46:45 PM
if you were paying ANY attention at all you would have realized i killed his commander off with my cyborg RIGHT after i killed you with my queen(you paid about as much attention on my kill as i did your mutate, somethin to think about). Oh by the way, incase you didnt notice i didn't agree with alot of ult's story and i also said had he tossed the game i would have openly confessed to it(considering ive tossed games under a guest account before and people have done so for me as well). You and ZZ both need to learn to take a loss and move on. Damn you think your raising an amazing point that is just absoloutly gonna tear me apart. I dont really give a damn what ults story is cuz he's some 13 year old.. id assume touch your cracked out lookin ass with a 50 foot pole (still a little too close to you for me) before i take his word for it. I do recall a time when i accused you of cheating when your point total was raising 50-80 points a night and shortly after making the accusation it stopped happening..hmm weird coincidence, dontcha think?

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u need to pay more attention...

im not the only one quazi-moto...

In Matlu's defence on this whole the math is wrong crap. ZZ i've heard you claim a spitter shot killing a tank before is skill (sarcastic or not) when it happened to me. You all love it when the luck runs your way but when things work against you, you jump on the forum and start crying. Just take the good with the bad and move on. Why dont you just quit worrying about the math aspect, you all claim you play for fun then you completely contradict that by coming on here and whining.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Bakster on January 22, 2006, 02:38:23 PM
This argument blows.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 22, 2006, 09:13:28 PM
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 01:46:45 PM
In Matlu's defence on this whole the math is wrong crap. ZZ i've heard you claim a spitter shot killing a tank before is skill (sarcastic or not) when it happened to me. You all love it when the luck runs your way but when things work against you, you jump on the forum and start crying. Just take the good with the bad and move on. Why dont you just quit worrying about the math aspect, you all claim you play for fun then you completely contradict that by coming on here and whining.

I dont like to win by getting extremely lucky.  I'm not complaining because I lost two points.  I just want to ensure the game is functioning properly.  What I weird concept, I know.


And silencer, you don't win an arguement by insulting other people so please watch what you say about song..
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Bakster on January 22, 2006, 10:28:55 PM
OK, time for me to start bitching.

In the first 4 turns of a game I just played:

I succeeded a hovership
His tank killed my hovership with ranged attack (-3 difference)My beacons failed at 90%
I holoed a queen whilst he holoed mech, his tank killed my queen (-3 difference)

And the game before that, my jeep (as well as a multitude of other things) failed.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 11:11:32 PM
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And silencer, you don't win an arguement by insulting other people so please watch what you say about song..

not any time soon junior...i think ill carry on talking how i talk, truth hurts doesnt it?

Like everyone else says, I do believe i've seen you type it was well. This game is all about propability, sometimes it plays out on your side and sometimes it doesnt. On the other side there is some skill involved with it, so why dont you use all your amazing skill you've gloated about and overcome this "slump". Oh by the way, im not exactly trying to "win" an online arguement, I dont live or die on the internet unlike you and song..
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: zzboots on January 23, 2006, 12:03:49 AM
Quote from: Silencer on January 22, 2006, 11:11:32 PM
not any time soon junior...i think ill carry on talking how i talk, truth hurts doesnt it?

Like everyone else says, I do believe i've seen you type it was well. This game is all about propability, sometimes it plays out on your side and sometimes it doesnt. On the other side there is some skill involved with it, so why dont you use all your amazing skill you've gloated about and overcome this "slump". Oh by the way, im not exactly trying to "win" an online arguement, I dont live or die on the internet unlike you and song..

And I don't feel good about myself by coming up with an insult that only I think is funny.

I've never gloated over my amazing skills.


Can you please stop spamming this topic and focus on it's point.
Title: Re: fishy math.
Post by: Parsley on January 23, 2006, 12:04:54 AM
Locked.