Folks,
READ THE RULES - You can play the rook anytime! Read the Duelboard rook rules, read the rules on Wikipedia.. google it. JUST LEARN TO PLAY!
You idiots that think you can't play the rook whenever you want are simply playing spades with a joker. Think about it. What is the POINT of a card called the Rook if it isn't governed by special rules? Why put it in the Rook deck at all?
I just got accused of cheating and had the game unrated for simply playing rook by the rules, as I have done ALL MY LIFE.
And the real injustice is I couldn't protest my innonence or refer anyone to the rules BECAUSE I CAN'T CHAT!!!!!!!!!
I mean, really, does anyone around here have a clue?
Technically, you are right. I created the game according to the standard rules, so that rook can be played anytime. Still for some reason, majority of the people prefer to play RTO and they expect other people to play it as well.
As ultimate solution to this problem I will have to make it an option when creating a table (additional checkbox next to Rated/Unrated and With Ones), but at the moment I have no time for it. Till then, people who want to play RTO should make it very clear before the game starts (especially to people they do not know), and perhaps if you happen to get into such game by coincidence, you could try to "adapt" and play RTO for a while.
<i>Technically, you are right. I created the game according to the standard rules, so that rook can be played anytime. Still for some reason, majority of the people prefer to play RTO and they expect other people to play it as well.
As ultimate solution to this problem I will have to make it an option when creating a table (additional checkbox next to Rated/Unrated and With Ones), but at the moment I have no time for it. Till then, people who want to play RTO should make it very clear before the game starts (especially to people they do not know), and perhaps if you happen to get into such game by coincidence, you could try to "adapt" and play RTO for a while.</i>
*Technically* I'm right? How about technically, everyone else is right, meaning if they want to change the rules to suit their own bid-happy style and then enforce it nazi-like against folks THAT CANNOT TALK, then they can do that.
No,*I'm right technically OR OTHERWISE.
An ultimate solution to this problem is for you to allow new people to chat like human beings. I suspect you are running off a lot of adults that would otherwise remain and becoming contributing members. I'm pretty near there myself.
As per your solution "Till then, people who want to play RTO should make it very clear before the game starts" how would you advise those of who cannot make ANYTHING clear because we cannot chat, how would you suggest we engage in these meaningful conversations. Is there special actions we can engage in to express ourselves? Perhaps Stand / Sit / Stand / Sit - morse code with the actions button?
What do you suggest?
Did you read my email to duelboard@directbox.com ? Are you interested in earning $50 for simply turning on my player chat so I can explain to my partner that I just lost my connection and didn't abandon the game?
How about u show Matlu a little respect for letting u play rook here?
He was taking your side and u still want to argue with him b/c he used the word "technically".
And before he blocked chat to "new" players, it was worse b/c people were spamming the chat.
I think u can wait a little while until you can chat, I suggest u do that.
And who cares that some other person thinks u abandoned the game? Big freakin deal, get over it.
How exactly am I failing to show respect? Pointing out that the majority is playing in violation of the rules and there is no way for a new user to alter the paradigm (or really, to even KNOW about the paradigm, in the most casual of circumstances, after all, we certainly can't ask like other human beings.)
Offering to make a $50 donation for the same privilege that someone who got here six months earlier got for free?
Asking for a simple clarification of the rules to be placed on the main page so folks know they are reducing rook to a game of spades with a joker?
The problem is u are bribing him w/ a donation, thats not really a donation now is it? ::)
And the blocked chat is neccesarry, why do u think he put it in place? B/C he doesn't like u? ::)
The clarification on the rules would be a good thing, but when he agreed w/ u, u still argued w/ him. ::)
You call it bribery, I call it business. And it certainly IS a donation if the only way I can give him that money is through the process he has set up of DONATING THROUGH PAYPAL.
Now, you'd be entirely correct if he had a BRIBE ME button set up with a link to PayPal.
The blocked chat is actually not a solution to long-term community building. It is a solution if you've got an initial cadre of users who want to insulate themselves in a cliquish manner. For this goal, imposing arbitrary (<- and I mean that in every since of the word, look it up) restrictions on new users is an ideal solution. It serves to demorialize new users and set them up in a secondary and subjugated status to tenured users. It isn't healthy for long-term community building but it plays to the feeling of privilege enjoyed by tenured users.
And really, if the administrators were concerned about someone's sensibilities being offended, why are you allowed unmitigated access to offend in the forums?
Finally, he didn't agree with me. He tried to split the difference by making a casual nod to the rules but then appealing to mob rule.
Bla, bla, bla. :P
It doesn't matter what the button says, it's what u use it for. ::)
Quote from: NewDuane on December 12, 2006, 03:31:45 AM
And really, if the administrators were concerned about someone's sensibilities being offended, why are you allowed unmitigated access to offend in the forums?
Maybe because they dont do that. ::)
And if they do must of the time they're joking and most of it gets deleted by Matlu anyways.
Quote from: NewDuane on December 12, 2006, 03:31:45 AM
The blocked chat is actually not a solution to long-term community building. It is a solution if you've got an initial cadre of users who want to insulate themselves in a cliquish manner. For this goal, imposing arbitrary (<- and I mean that in every since of the word, look it up) restrictions on new users is an ideal solution. It serves to demorialize new users and set them up in a secondary and subjugated status to tenured users. It isn't healthy for long-term community building but it plays to the feeling of privilege enjoyed by tenured users.
And it's not a long-term solution, it is a short-term one, bacause Matlu is to busy to implement a long-term solution.
Quote from: NewDuane on December 12, 2006, 03:31:45 AM
Finally, he didn't agree with me. He tried to split the difference by making a casual nod to the rules but then appealing to mob rule.
Finally, who cares, he said he would fix the problem.
Great. Did you have a point then?
You only read my last sentence didn't u? ::)
And u're trying to use my own point against me when ur the one who was continuing on after he said he'd fix it.
RTO (rook as trump only) is the way we have played rook online since the beginning of Games.com about 7 years ago. I am sorry if it offends you, however do you expect everyone to change the way they play to suit you, one person? If you do not like playing by RTO, when someone says RTO at the beginning of the game.....leave the table. Simple solution to a simple problem.
Quote from: NewDuane on September 11, 1973, 10:51:10 AM
And really, if the administrators were concerned about someone's sensibilities being offended, why are you allowed unmitigated access to offend in the forum
Several heavy forum users were banned in he last couple of months for offensive posts. One of which donated a reasonable sum of money to Matlu previously for his efforts. My point is, why should you receive privileges because you can afford to give Matlu money?
That's all I really have to say about that....
Which is exactly what I meant.
Hammike: RTO (rook as trump only) is the way we have played rook online since the beginning of Games.com about 7 years ago. I am sorry if it offends you, however do you expect everyone to change the way they play to suit you, one person? If you do not like playing by RTO, when someone says RTO at the beginning of the game.....leave the table. Simple solution to a simple problem.
I appreciate you bringing up yet another problem with your illegal gameplay. When one plays by regulation Rook rules and trumps any time with the Rook, whether or not they have the suit that led, THEY ARE PLAYING THE ROOK AS TRUMP ONLY. So your acronym is a misnomer.
If you are going to pollute the game with special rules that destroy the essence of the game, special rules that invalidate the reason for even having a bird card, the very least you could do is name your special rule acronym appropriately, something like MFSEIYHTRWCOBPAPRR (Must Follow Suit Even If You Have The Rook Which Can Ordinarily Be Played Anytime Per Regulation Rules.)
And if you ever decide to start playing Rook by the rules, you may find yourself in a much more strategic and much more challenging game.
There is also a quote button. For the future.
More challenging? I played Rook for about 20 years previous to Games.com without a Rook card or 1s.......the Rook makes it alot easier to make your bid.......assuming you bid when you have it.
RTO......Rook as Trump Only..........now I will try to explain this again......follow closely. The Rook card (bird) is played the same as the other trump in your hand......ie the 14 or 7......must follow suit. Not to be played as a wild card like a Joker in other games.
Comprehend?? Any other questions please feel free to ask.
I think he knows the rules. They're just stupid. It makes there barely any point to the rook card IMO.
Yes, I most assuredly know the rules, having played rook now for 30+ years.
You made me laugh Hammike when you used the acronym RTO and then explained it just as I already had.
And as Dodger said, the SPFTRC (Special Rule For The Rook-Challenged) pretty much renders the bird card irrelevant.
But thats the point, isn't it? That way we can run the bid up to 95+ every time and still make it. As opposed to, ya know, strategizing.
He has a point.
OK let me see if I have got this right. A bidder without the bird would be too scared to bid over 80 (because the person with the bird is gonna sit on it till there is a 14 and 10 out there......40 points) and the person with the bird would be able to bid 85 comfortably because the other team wont bid. Those of us who know how to bid when we get the bird are still going to bid 90-95, while the complaints about "bagging" will get worse.
Now another question for you. Why is the "bird" not supposed to be trump while if you lead the bird it is led as a trump.........and if it is your only trump card and trump is led, you must play it..........sounds like a trump card to me........hence play it as trump. If it was a true wild card you would be able to hold it even when trump was led.
mostly everyone in rook plays RTO... like hammike said... if you dont want to play rto...when they say rto at the table get up and leave... but you'll probably be jumping tables all day because its hard to find anyone who doesnt play rto
wow I read like the first 6 post. seriously stfu. Damn ppl arguing over some stupid rook game. Let matlu do what he has to do and leave it at that. Apprently, if you dont like it, post what u think should make it better and wait for a reply. Stop arguing or go find rook somewhere else. If this was already resolved after the firts 5 post, please disregard what I have said. ;D
No middle road, at first it seemed duane was right but in Flamings maltu worship duane went off the deep end with the "donation- do you watch to many mob movies? your an idiot to expect what you want from people buy suggesting that 50$ owns someone...... Put player mods in do something but the new player mute sucks I had same problem with rto when I played with mute/didn't know what it was but the thing doesn't let you renig so you just assume it wont let you break the rules.
Quote from: MetalGear822 on December 27, 2006, 03:38:25 AM
...but in Flamings maltu worship...
lol, I call my newly founded religion Matluology. :D
just want to see the time. dont mind me
Kind of hard not to, wanna join my newly dounded Matluology religion? ;)
Actually, me and my family don't follow any religion, been trying to convert them to Jediology though. :D