Well me and dodger decided to do an 8 man tournament this sunday. Here are the rules.
Sign ups are open as of now www.cyberbattlestournament.com/Tourny under tournament 4 and only players with a rating of 300+ can sign up. When you sign up, make sure you put your rating next to your name. There will be no subs this tournament and if you do not show up when the tournament starts, you are automatically disqualified. If the game freezes or somehow lose connection because of duelboard server, you automatically lose that match. Pairings will be done highest rating vs the lowest rating. I hope that me and dodger can make this tournament a success, like in the past and hopefully this wont be a disaster. Also we are really hoping everyone who signs up, shows up. We are sorry for the team tournament inconvenience. We hope to see you all there.
- gUt - Dodger
Date - March 5th 2006
Times for the Tournament:
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2 PM Eastern
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1 PM Central
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12 PM Mountain
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11 AM Pacific
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7 PM London, England
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8 PM (See list of following countries)
Paris, France
Berlin, Germany
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Brussels, Belgium
Vienna, Austria
Madrid, Spain
Rome, Italy
Bern, Switzerland
Stockholm, Sweden
Oslo, Norway
Count me in ;)
I'm interested to see how this turns out.
Rating: 1042
Quote from: SiR gUt on March 01, 2006, 12:17:26 AM
Times for the Tournament:
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2 PM Eastern
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1 PM Central
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12 PM Mountain
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11 AM Pacific
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7 PM London, England
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8 PM (See list of following countries)
Paris, France
Berlin, Germany
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Brussels, Belgium
Vienna, Austria
Madrid, Spain
Rome, Italy
Bern, Switzerland
Stockholm, Sweden
Oslo, Norway
This looks familiar by the way. Some amazing person must've written it up. 8)
Tourny is listed as Cyber Battles Tournament 4.
Sign Ups being taken NOW!
QuoteRating: 1042
I thought you were quitting at 1000? :P
To avoid confusion in this tourny :-\, the RULES of which we will be following can be found here : http://www.cyberbattlestournament.com/rules.html
It is assumed that all players who participate in the Tourny are aware of these rules.
Quote from: Dodger on March 01, 2006, 12:22:37 AM
I thought you were quitting at 1000? :P
All those points came from tournament day.
Awesome that there's gonna be another tournament. I want to see how I do against you guys 1 on 1 ;)
I signed up...my rating is 580ish...it fluctuates because I play a little bit each day.
Here's my suggestion:
If more than 8 people sign up with over 300 points, I think who ever has the higher points should get to play even if they sign up after the 8 player cut off.
Example: You have 8 players already and then cDigital says he want to play. I think that the person who signed up with the least points should get the boot and cDigital would get on.
It might also help make players show up. Kinda like putting their reputation on the line.
if more than 8 people sign up I can still manage the brackets, i think.... but i will think about your idea and talk it over with dodger
I actually think that the possibility of the elimination of a player due to a higher player signing up would cause a decrease in popularity of the tournaments.
Here's why:
1. People would just think the tournaments are like a private thing for you guys who have been playing the longest and are all friends. Nobody who just happened to find the site say a month ago (like me) would be able to play at all.
2. This game is a LOT of luck. I think it is fair to say that everyone on the high scores probably has the same SKILL level. You can only be so good at this game. The rest is luck and the length of time you play for. If not everyone on the high scores had the same skill level, then Jacob and I would never have won the team tournament. I think once you make it to the high scores, rating means nothing when it comes to SKILL.
Plus I think these tournaments are supposed to be a measure of who is the most SKILLED at this game, so I don't think it's fair to exclude players who just haven't been playing for as long. Please consider this ok?
Quote from: MathWiz20 on March 01, 2006, 09:25:46 PM
1. People would just think the tournaments are like a private thing for you guys who have been playing the longest and are all friends. Nobody who just happened to find the site say a month ago (like me) would be able to play at all.
I'm sorry that you won't be able to play, but it's only 300 points. You are a skilled player, and I'm sure that if we have another Tourney like this then you will have enough points. [Edit : My bad :P] This, however is likely to be just a one off trial, to see if we can have a non-hassle tournament (small number of players, who all know the rules). Next tournament will most likely be back to normal.
Quote from: MathWiz20 on March 01, 2006, 09:25:46 PM
2. This game is a LOT of luck. I think it is fair to say that everyone on the high scores probably has the same SKILL level. You can only be so good at this game. The rest is luck and the length of time you play for. If not everyone on the high scores had the same skill level, then Jacob and I would never have won the team tournament. I think once you make it to the high scores, rating means nothing when it comes to SKILL.
Good point, but I disagree that everyone on the high score table has the same skill level (and I know this will receive a lot of feedback of people arguing with me) but I know that most of the people above me in the table are better than me (I am 11th last time I was on) and I am fairly even with the people around me.
Although a lot of people say that most of the top scorers are only so high because they play so much, I don't think that is the extent of it. I know a lot of people that play (or used to play) all the time and are low on the scoreboard, or not on it at all. And everyone knows that Anima breezed to the top of the scoreboard after only a small amount of games (also Silencer), two very skilled players.
Overall I think that skill is represented in your points, but points don't always represent your skill ;)
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Plus I think these tournaments are supposed to be a measure of who is the most SKILLED at this game, so I don't think it's fair to exclude players who just haven't been playing for as long. Please consider this ok?
I'll consider your points, but you consider that this will probably only be a one off tourney, and we can't please everyone ;).
Uhm... Dodger... Mathwiz has almost 600 points. ::)
And I suggested the highest scores play because there is more reputation and possibly more devotion involved. That way, maybe they'll all show up.
Quote from: The_Gu3st on March 02, 2006, 12:54:07 AM
Uhm... Dodger... Mathwiz has almost 600 points. ::)
Oops :) I didn't know this, I assumed he had less than 300 because of this :
QuoteNobody who just happened to find the site say a month ago (like me) would be able to play at all.
Sorry... ;D
Can I assume you are a retard because you assumed he has less than 300 points?
Just curious.
If you had seen me say:
"People who are retards (like me) wouldn't be able to play at all"
Then yes you would be able to assume I am a retard.
But because I didn't say that, YOU CANT!!! Mwahahah!
Quote from: MathWiz20 on March 01, 2006, 09:25:46 PM
This game is a LOT of luck. I think it is fair to say that everyone on the high scores probably has the same SKILL level. You can only be so good at this game. The rest is luck and the length of time you play for. If not everyone on the high scores had the same skill level, then Jacob and I would never have won the team tournament. I think once you make it to the high scores, rating means nothing when it comes to SKILL.
ahh the oldest, most controversial and debatable argument on the board. i think skill is the dominant factor in this game. most of the time the skilled player will win, but yes luck can be a decider. some of the top players are real badasses :P
Quote from: Dodger on March 01, 2006, 10:06:56 PM
Anima breezed to the top of the scoreboard after only a small amount of games (also Silencer), two very skilled players.
:-*
;) I think I have skill, thank you very much
the more you think the game is luck, the more unluckier you will get
Isnt it ironic how both Anima and Silencer got deleted?
I'm not implying anything, its just weird.
Quote from: SiR gUt on March 02, 2006, 03:48:35 AM
the more you think the game is luck, the more unluckier you will get
You must be superstitious. Â I am not. Â I feel, and this is not to offend anyone, that it takes a little integrity to accept the fact that this game is mostly luck and the top players are all on the same plane. Â Whether you agree or not, that is fine, it is just my opinion.
If a noob got lucky and beamed a spider at the very beginning of the game, or happened to mutate something into a spider, the noob would kick anyone's ass, no matter what skill level. Â When Dodger's mech failed at 90% at the end of the team tournament, was that bad luck on his part, or good skill on my part?
I rest my case. Â I'd just like to have fun in another tournament. Â That's all.
Quote from: MathWiz20 on March 02, 2006, 04:55:41 AM
If a noob got lucky and beamed a spider at the very beginning of the game, or happened to mutate something into a spider, the noob would kick anyone's ass, no matter what skill level. Â When Dodger's mech failed at 90% at the end of the team tournament, was that bad luck on his part, or good skill on my part?
This truely is one of the most debated discussions in CB. I'm going with it takes
mainly skill to win, with a combination of luck. That example is completely wrong. If a noob beamed spider first turn, he does not own everyone automatically. Sure it would make things more challenging, but if you can make the right move at the right time then you can outsmart him.
Thats almost like arguing that chess is a game of luck. Your skill depends on the skill of the person you are versing. A noob chess player is not as inept and informed of the game as an expert. Experts, players who have played a long time and fully understand and have mastered game strategies, will win a majority of the time.
you're wrong guest... this game is all luck :P
The only luck part of this game is making sure you don't disconnect. *cough-ABC-cough*
that's not me *cough**cough*... that was ummm... 123 ;D
I'm not arguing about it anymore. Everyone has the right to free speech, and everyone also has the right to be wrong. I'll allow you (all of you) those two rights. You know how I feel. All I'll say is get some integrity. I'm done, so flame me all you want. I want to be positive about the tournament. I'm coming off a win ;)
hahaha mathwiz you will see my skill in the tournament ;) as looks of it im gonna play you ;)
Do you wanna know my opinion on this? ;D
NO!
nope, bakster plz dont post
Why not? I was only gonna say this game is 100% luck...geez...it's not like I spammed the board with this message...chill out guys ::)
well your not good at this game anyway so your opinion dont matter :P
We currently have 6 people signed up for the Tourney tomorrow, need two more...
I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it, but for now just assume I'm not coming.
Besides, doesn't look like you'll be having a tournament anyways since you have only 5 people without me.
Are we still having the tourney? We couldn't even get 8
I have yet to speak to Gut, but I imagine it will still be on.
Won't be able to make it to the tournament, remove my name please.
Edit: I can do my first match right now, and the way the brakets look I get a by until the finals if I win.
So if you wanna vs. me now dodger I can do that and check back in for the finals around 2:15 - 2:30
Hey Guest and I were playing our final match. I was up 1 to 0, then I was gonna laser him to death on the second game but then...
THE SERVER CRASHED!!! lol
That sucks we gonna have to do it over again?
Actually, you got d/c first :P
And then I hung out in the lobby, then I got d/c and dodger said the webpage wouldn't load for him nor me, so then I assumed the server crashed.
How are we gonna settle this? Do we have to redo that match? Darn lol I was gonna kill you...I had you on the ropes...oh well such is life ;)
My points increased by 2 and yours decreased by two if you check, that proves that you got d/c first :P
Anyways, we'll have to settle this and finish the tournament later. And you can't disqualify me for not doing it now b/c the whole server crash was pretty inconvienient and it's already been 2 hours.
yea just finish the match today and let me know who wins.
Did you not read anything I wrote?
We need to know the status of our match. Is it considered as if I won that match where he got d/c and then the server crashed? Or do we start all over? Or what?
No way should guest get credit for the win...the whole server crashed so it should just be a do over, especially since I was going to win that game anyway.
The only reason you think I got d/ced first is because I gave up trying to get back on before you did, not because I got d/ced first...we all got d/ced at the same time.
Make this fair...just redo that game and the score is still 1 to 0 in favor of me. It would not be fair to give one person credit when everyone got d/ced at the same time. Be reasonable here. Tell us when we should redo the game, but I have school all week so this is not going to be easy lol.
I didn't crash though. I saw your commander go "boom" and then I exited to lobby, then I got d/c. It wasn't at the exact same time like you said.
And I have school this week too, and today is not possible for me.
well if matlu tells me, when the server crashes everyone loses connection at same time, or if its possible some people can lose connection before someone else when it crashes. if thats possible than you redo it, if it's not than guest wins.
IF he cant tell me, than you redo the match, because guest if it was you who d/c first than you would wanna redo it too.
Make the fair decision gut, I think that even if guest were the one who disconnected first, I'd think that the fair thing to do would be to redo the match. Anyway, how can one person d/c before another if the whole thing crashes? If that's possible, it would be pure chance, and chance shouldn't be the determiner of the tournament. There's enough luck in the game already. ;D
The problem is, you got disconnected before I did, so technically, you lost that game.
Quote from Tournament Rules:
Quote9) Any player who loses connection (disconnect) during a match automatically loses that game, effectively ending that match if their opponent is already up by one.
Therefore, you should have lost that game, regardless of whether the server crashed or not.
And to further extend my case, the Second Tournament Winner, Zabuza, won only because his opponent disconnected in the finals, even though he claims he was going to beat him.
That's nice, but that only applies if someone just happens to disconnect for a random reason.
We BOTH disconnected, and I DON'T believe that I disconnected BEFORE you. Like I said before, I believe that I just happened to give up trying to get back on before you did, and since it was my turn at the time, you happened to catch a glimpse of me leaving as you lost ur connection.
When a server crashes, it loses contact with all connectors at the same time, regardless of who they are. So I did not technically lose the game, in fact, we really technically DREW the game. You only got rating points because, like I said, you gave up trying to get back after me. This is like when the old cyber wars used to freeze. The last person to give up trying to get back would get the points...or maybe it was a random person. Whatever the case, it does not favor one over the other.
Another thought: does the time it takes to get disconnected have anything to do with the distance from one's computer to the server...meaning how far the connection has to travel? One would think that if the server crashed, the people farther from the source would lose the connection first, because it was weaker to begin with. This is just a thought and I may be wrong...but if it's true then you can't disqualify me just because of where I live.
Be fair about this...for the sake of the integrity of the concept of a tournament.
Quote from: MathWiz20 on March 06, 2006, 03:00:09 AM
Be fair about this...for the sake of the integrity of the concept of a tournament.
I don't feel like arguing, this is a game and I used to preach that tournaments are for fun. I completely agree with the quoted statement even though there isn't actually any fair way to solve this.
I'm willing to redo that game, with you being up 1-0 and me going second. If I lose, oh well, there's always next weekend.
I have time right now if you can play and finish this.
Alrighty, finished it up, mathwiz won.
Congratz and good games.
Good games everyone, especially guest, i appreciate what you did. I won't make any sarcastic quote this time because it wouldn't be right since the finals were so controversial. Instead, I'll make one that everyone can laugh at, not just me.
"This just proves that luck IS a dominant part of the game, because how else would I have won? I obviously have no skill, I'm just lucky!" :P (another original quote by me)
congrats, next week i will win. I promise ;)
Good job guys, well settled between yourselves.
Congrats Mathwiz, next week we really have to beat you ;)
Quote from: SiR gUt on March 06, 2006, 05:01:57 AM
congrats, next week i will win. I promise ;)
Next week, I will have even more fun than I did this week.
There's gonna be a tourney again next week right? Could one of you make a new thread for it? It could get confusing mixed up in this one. Also, some people may not know there's gonna be another tourney unless you make another thread.
Can I make a request for that tourny? Could you possibly start it at 2:30 Eastern?
I'm going to be busy until then so I won't be able to make it otherwise.
Do it for old time's sake :-* ;)
math, i was gonna make it just been busy ;)
We said that I put it on the site, and you make the thread Gut....I don't see the thread!